Russia's 'Blackjacks' fly again

But even if the designers, engineers, and technicians were slaves
forced to labour for an evil regime, that does not, and should not,
be used to denigrate their accomplishments.


I agree with that.

Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

"Kristan Roberge" wrote in message
...
Hardly copying to put more than 1 barrel on a single anti-aircraft mount.
Everybody had
mobile anti-aircraft guns in WW2.

But quad 20mm/23mm mount centered on a tank turret is a rather unique
configuration. Besides, Wirbelwind and Shilka, what else was there?
--
Zamboni

Zamboni wrote:

"Kristan Roberge" wrote in message
...
Hardly copying to put more than 1 barrel on a single anti-aircraft mount.
Everybody had
mobile anti-aircraft guns in WW2.

But quad 20mm/23mm mount centered on a tank turret is a rather unique
configuration. Besides, Wirbelwind and Shilka, what else was there?

Never heard of a Maxon mount?! 4 .50Cal's in a turret, often mounted on
half-tracks. The russian
equivalent used four 14.5mm KPV heavy machineguns. The shilka was actually
evolved from a twin 57mm
anti-aircraft gun, the ZSU-57. Whereas the ZSU-23-4 is based on the PT76 hull,
the ZSU-57 is based
on a T-54 hull.

Or they could get deported to Israele. I'm sure Von Braun would have been
popular there.

Hey, bright one, you do know that von Braun led an entire baggage trail and
dozens of engineers, all eagerly looking for Americans to surrender to, right?

I don't know what a Concord is, but neither Concorde nor the B-1 have
pods for the engines

And to throw a little flame on the fire, neither does the Tu-160....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

The USSR built under license, not copied, the PBY during WWII, IIRC.
OTOH, after Powers' U-2 was downed, Beriev proposed a copy of the U-2.

In article ,
Alistair Gunn writes:
In sci.military.naval Andy Dingley twisted the electrons to say:
Can you imagine a reconaissance version of the even-thirstier
Lightning ?

I'm sure there was a reconaissance pod available for the Lightning
(replacing the guns in the ventral tank), however this was probably a
creation for Saudi Arabia / Kuwait (if indeed, it existed at all?).

I'm sure somebody thought to propose one. But how useful would it be?
The volume's pretty limited, and there are cheaper an easier ways to
take picures of you're own airfields.


--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

Sounds like it could be the Arado Ar-242(?) transport.

ISTR reading somewhere some time back (NOT on the internet so it MUST be
true!) about an F-105 in Viet Nam bringing back a dud Soviet Atoll
(Sidewinder look-a-like) stuck in the fuselage. The crew chief &
mechanics tore it down & piece for piece would interchange with a
Sidewinder.

actually the TU-95 is an almost exact copy (in concept) of the late 40s
original version of the Boeing B-52(a very swept wing with 4 engine pods
each with 2 contra rotating props driven by 2 turbine engines) later in the
design program the prop engines were replaced by the new "jet" engines being
developed at the time. Perhaps BUFDRVR has enough background to confirm
this?


The original BUFF was designed to be a prop, but when the USAF demanded an all
jet bomber, Boeing designers were forced (over a weekend) to redsign her as an
all jet bomber. I don't believe the design was for counter-rotating props
though. Additionally, I doubt the Bear was a "BUFF rip-off", they have very
little in common design wise.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"