Job well done

This just happened in my neck of the woods.
Gotta give the PIC some kudos.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/15923069/detail.html

It's good to see another emergency that only resulted in some bent
aluminum.

I have never flown retractables and don't completely understand the
systems, would it be strange for two out of three wheels to not
extend. Would it be an electrical, hydraulic or mechanical failure
that would most likely create such a 2 out of 3 scenario?

On Apr 18, 11:05*am, KAE wrote:
This just happened in my neck of the woods.
Gotta give the PIC some kudos.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/15923069/detail.html

It's good to see another emergency that only resulted in some bent
aluminum.

I have never flown retractables and don't completely understand the
systems, would it be strange for two out of three wheels to not
extend. Would it be an electrical, hydraulic or mechanical failure
that would most likely create such a 2 out of 3 scenario?

This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear up is
not a life threatening event.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:


This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear up is
not a life threatening event.


I agree. Though they said he had 2 out of 3 down, in the picture it only
looks like only the right main is down. I think I'd probably pull all the
gear up (if possible) in that case and land on the belly. It seems that
you'd have a higher risk of losing directional control with the gear down
asymmetrically. Straight belly landings are almost always uneventful. Since
the insurance company already owns the airplane by that time, why take the
chance?

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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I agree.I had a partial gear up (RMG got stuck) in my Seneca back in 1990.
That was before youtube. It was a non-event (aside from the repair bill
) )
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Apr 18, 11:05 am, KAE wrote:
This just happened in my neck of the woods.
Gotta give the PIC some kudos.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/15923069/detail.html

It's good to see another emergency that only resulted in some bent
aluminum.

I have never flown retractables and don't completely understand the
systems, would it be strange for two out of three wheels to not
extend. Would it be an electrical, hydraulic or mechanical failure
that would most likely create such a 2 out of 3 scenario?

This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear up is
not a life threatening event.

-Robert

On Apr 19, 7:37*am, "tom418" wrote:


This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear up is
not a life threatening event.


It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the engines and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

WingFlaps wrote in news:ca4e24f8-ae1d-43a2-b5c9-
:

On Apr 19, 7:37*am, "tom418" wrote:


This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear up is
not a life threatening event.


It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the engines and
done a belly landing

Maybe. We're told to get as many down as we can, though.

Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
WingFlaps wrote in news:ca4e24f8-ae1d-43a2-b5c9-
:

On Apr 19, 7:37 am, "tom418" wrote:


This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear up is
not a life threatening event.


It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the engines and
done a belly landing

Maybe. We're told to get as many down as we can, though.

Bertie

Yeah, you're all just a bunch of dumb asses.

Senors bellys are big enough hope no one got hurt!
WingFlaps submitted this idea :
On Apr 19, 7:37*am, "tom418" wrote:


This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear up is
not a life threatening event.


It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the engines and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

On Apr 18, 5:51 pm, WingFlaps wrote:
On Apr 19, 7:37 am, "tom418" wrote:



This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear up is
not a life threatening event.

It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the engines and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

Unless he had to go-around after feathering both engines.

Sorry, I'll minimize the damage as best I can while following
manufacturer's approved procedures. I'm betting nowhere in the 'ho's
AFM does it say to shut down and feather both engines on short final.
The insurance company can buy new props and motors. They can't buy me
a new certificate when it gets yanked because I invented my own
emergency procedures.

Mike

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:19:37 -0700, momalley81 sayeth:

Unless he had to go-around after feathering both engines.

Sorry, I'll minimize the damage as best I can while following
manufacturer's approved procedures. I'm betting nowhere in the 'ho's
AFM does it say to shut down and feather both engines on short final.

There are a million emergencies that can occur in a plane where there are
no procedures written about in the POH. There's nothing in the regs that
say you have to follow all "emergency procedures" in an emergency.
Handling an emergency isn't about just following what the book says.

They can't buy me a
new certificate when it gets yanked because I invented my own emergency
procedures.

Has this even ever happened before? Has there been an example of the FAA
going after someone who feathered the engines while doing a belly-up?

If it was me, I'd consider feathering them, but only if I thought it
could be done effectively. If it's a three-blade, or a turboprop of any
kind, I won't do it. If there's a chance of going around I wouldn't do it
either, but since I learned to land consistently (back in my pre-private
checkride days) I've had to go around, what, twice?