Powell on the National Guard

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed managed to
wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National Guard units." -- Colin Powell, My
American Journey, 1995


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed
managed to
wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National Guard units." -- Colin
Powell, My
American Journey, 1995

Colin Powell quoted regarding the Guard after ODS:

"Then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Colin Powell stated
shortly after the war that it "...could have not been fought without the
Guard".

http://www.calguard.ca.gov/250thmi/A...ory_usarng.htm

Brooks


Arthur Kramer

Subject: Powell on the National Guard
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 2/20/04 3:34 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed
managed to
wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National Guard units." -- Colin
Powell, My
American Journey, 1995

Colin Powell quoted regarding the Guard after ODS:

"Then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Colin Powell stated
shortly after the war that it "...could have not been fought without the
Guard".

http://www.calguard.ca.gov/250thmi/A...ory_usarng.htm

Brooks


Arthur Kramer




Of course not. It was being fought on the cheap and there weren't enough
regular troops to do the job and so the guard had to be called in .It is still
being fought on the cheap and we still don't have Iraq under control.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

we still don't have Iraq under control.

We're still deployed in Germany, Korea, Colombia, Bolivia,
and the Sinai, etc...

We are out of control then, right?

Freedom costs money, and lives. Without it we would have someone like
Sadaam's son's shooting us and raping our relatives just for fun.

If you have a problem with freedom, then vote Democrat, and join the
Communist goal of serfdom.

Subject: Powell on the National Guard
From: "D. Strang"
Date: 2/20/04 4:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: iWxZb.9564$Ru5.9336@okepread03

"ArtKramr" wrote

we still don't have Iraq under control.

We're still deployed in Germany, Korea, Colombia, Bolivia,
and the Sinai, etc...


We marched into Germany and got the entire country under control in about 15
minutes. Why can't we get Iraq under control? What thehell is going on here ?



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

We marched into Germany and got the entire country under control in about 15
minutes. Why can't we get Iraq under control? What thehell is going on here ?

Never heard of the Berlin wall, or the Warsaw Pact eh?

If you can't tell me why we are still deployed in Germany, I can't really educate
you as to why we are still in Iraq, and will be for at least 30 years. Iraq is more
important than just about any other country we have forces in. I suspect we will
have forces in Iraq long after everyone in this newsgroup is dead.

(ArtKramr) wrote:
From: "D. Strang" wrote:

We're still deployed in Germany, Korea, Colombia, Bolivia,
and the Sinai, etc...

Exactly.

We marched into Germany and got the entire country under control in about 15
minutes. Why can't we get Iraq under control? What thehell is going on here ?

Old age clouding your memory again hard guy? Does the term
"Berlin Airlift" three_full_years AFTER the end of war in Europe mean
anything to you?

Post-war Germany...

At least 39 U.S. servicemen were killed by the Nazi "Werwolf"
resistance movement in the fisrt few months of the occupation.
Additionally, Werwolves weren’t the only problem. Violent crime,
thievery and black-marketing were rampant. Germans incessantly
complained to U.S. military officials about inadequate public safety.
And these threats paled in comparison to the physical privations. Many
feared masses of Germans would freeze or starve to death in the first
winter after the war. To suggest that the first year of occupation was
anything less than a dreadful, harrowing experience for many Germans
is just bad history.

[Heritage Foundation]

We marched into Germany and got the entire country under control in about 15
minutes. Why can't we get Iraq under control? What thehell is going on here
?

Hmm, really? Now I'm beginning to believe you may not know much about events in
*your* time either....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

ArtKramr wrote:

"ArtKramr" wrote

we still don't have Iraq under control.

We're still deployed in Germany, Korea, Colombia, Bolivia,
and the Sinai, etc...

We marched into Germany and got the entire country under control in about 15
minutes. Why can't we get Iraq under control? What thehell is going on here ?

I don't think the techniques used in 1939-45 on Germany
(or Japan) would go over too well today.


SMH

On 21 Feb 2004 00:55:35 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

We marched into Germany and got the entire country under control in about 15
minutes. Why can't we get Iraq under control? What thehell is going on here ?



Arthur Kramer

Might want to reconsider that statement with a look at some history
books. First, we marched into Germany in about a year from D-Day to
the fall of Berlin. Then, it took nearly two years before the country
was stabilized and functional again. Follow that with about four more
years of occupation before it was self-governing (although divided).
Then, the reunification only took another forty years.

Conversely, we marched into Iraq and got the country under control in
three weeks. We lost less than one percent of the casualties we had in
the march into Germany in '44-'45. Now, we are less than one year from
the start of hostilities in Iraq, we less than a third of the troops
involved that were participants in the occupation of Germany and the
country is within four months of establishing a democratic
legislature. That's a pretty remarkable achievement.

It will take time to truly democratize the country, but failure to do
so will destabilize the Middle East and simply mean that we will have
to shed a lot more blood against a much more vigorous enemy in the
region at some future date.

I shouldn't be quoting to you what the effort was to take control of
Germany or what the conditions of the occupation were. You were there,
but our post above seems to indicate that you've forgotten the
magnitude of the effort.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8