Beginner, Parachutes?

At 01:30 26 November 2008, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 07:52 25 November 2008, Surfer! wrote:


At my club they get a short parachute talk beforehand, and there is at
least one person whose life was saved on his first flight by the
parachute, when the K21 got hit by lightening. Think that was near
Dunstable but don't hold me to it.


You are correct and in the report the investigators suggest that the
wearing of a parachute on composite structure gliders is a good idea as
they have little or no protection against strikes. The AAIB report makes
interesting reading and can be found here.
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...pdf_500699.pdf

It should also be said that the "student" was a fully qualified
parachutist.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:40:31 -0800 (PST), Frank Whiteley
wrote:

A German study once concluded that
survival in an incident requiring parachute use below 600m agl was
very low. That said, some emergency chutes are very effective at low
altitudes with good horizontal speed.

Nevertheless, I know four people who bailed out successfully - one at
6.000 ft, two at 600 ft (midair collision), one at 400 ft
(non-connected elavtor during winch launch).



Bye
Andreas

On Nov 26, 6:54*am, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:40:31 -0800 (PST), Frank Whiteley

wrote:
A German study once concluded that
survival in an incident requiring parachute use below 600m agl was
very low. *That said, some emergency chutes are very effective at low
altitudes with good horizontal speed.

Nevertheless, I know four people who bailed out successfully - one at
6.000 ft, two at 600 ft (midair collision), one at 400 ft
(non-connected elavtor during winch launch).

Bye
Andreas

I know one who died because he didn't get his chute repacked regularly
thus missing an AD on the D-ring attachment. When he needed the
chute, it didn't work.

Frank

On Nov 26, 6:54*am, Andreas Maurer wrote:
one at 400 ft (non-connected elavator during winch launch).

Wow, that's impressive! Was the glider in an uncontrolled climb when
the bale out was initiated or had the cable broken?

Andy

In message
, Andy
writes
On Nov 26, 6:54*am, Andreas Maurer wrote:
one at 400 ft (non-connected elavator during winch launch).

Wow, that's impressive! Was the glider in an uncontrolled climb when
the bale out was initiated or had the cable broken?

I heard a story about a guy with an ASW19 who realised the elevator
wasn't connected when winch launching, and what I think I heard was that
he waited until it reached the top of the climb and jumped,
successfully. The other part of the story was that he had rigged the
glider and correctly connected the tailplane and someone else took it
off for some reason and refitted it without connecting it, and that the
miscreant went on to be an AAIB investigator..

Dunno how much of this (if any) is true though!

--
Surfer!
Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net

On Nov 26, 1:41*pm, Surfer! wrote:
In message
, Andy
writes

On Nov 26, 6:54*am, Andreas Maurer wrote:
one at 400 ft (non-connected elavator during winch launch).

Wow, that's impressive! *Was the glider in an uncontrolled climb when
the bale out was initiated or had the cable broken?

I heard a story about a guy with an ASW19 who realised the elevator
wasn't connected when winch launching, and what I think I heard was that
he waited until it reached the top of the climb and jumped,
successfully. *The other part of the story was that he had rigged the
glider and correctly connected the tailplane and someone else took it
off for some reason and refitted it without connecting it, and that the
miscreant went on to be an AAIB investigator..

Dunno how much of this (if any) is true though!

--
Surfer!
Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net

An RAF member did this in an ASW-20 and landed safey off airport in a
field using trim and flaps.

Frank Whiteley

At 20:41 26 November 2008, Surfer! wrote:
In message
, Andy
writes
On Nov 26, 6:54*am, Andreas Maurer wrote:
one at 400 ft (non-connected elavator during winch launch).

Wow, that's impressive! Was the glider in an uncontrolled climb when
the bale out was initiated or had the cable broken?

I heard a story about a guy with an ASW19 who realised the elevator
wasn't connected when winch launching, and what I think I heard was that

he waited until it reached the top of the climb and jumped,
successfully. The other part of the story was that he had rigged the
glider and correctly connected the tailplane and someone else took it
off for some reason and refitted it without connecting it, and that the
miscreant went on to be an AAIB investigator..

Dunno how much of this (if any) is true though!

--
Surfer!
Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net


Actually, there is a strong rumour circulating that he became, and still
is, editor of a CAA Safety publication.

Don't know who started it though...

;o)

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:14:17 -0800 (PST), Andy
wrote:

On Nov 26, 6:54*am, Andreas Maurer wrote:
one at 400 ft (non-connected elavator during winch launch).

Wow, that's impressive! Was the glider in an uncontrolled climb when
the bale out was initiated or had the cable broken?

I can only quote the reply to your posting:

--- snip ---
I heard a story about a guy with an ASW19 who realised the elevator
wasn't connected when winch launching, and what I think I heard was
that
he waited until it reached the top of the climb and jumped,
successfully.
--- snip ---

You only need to replace the term "guy" with "girl".


Bye
Andreas

At 15:11 27 November 2008, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:14:17 -0800 (PST), Andy
wrote:

On Nov 26, 6:54*am, Andreas Maurer wrote:
one at 400 ft (non-connected elavator during winch launch).

Wow, that's impressive! Was the glider in an uncontrolled climb when
the bale out was initiated or had the cable broken?

I can only quote the reply to your posting:

--- snip ---
I heard a story about a guy with an ASW19 who realised the elevator
wasn't connected when winch launching, and what I think I heard was
that
he waited until it reached the top of the climb and jumped,
successfully.
--- snip ---

You only need to replace the term "guy" with "girl".


Bye
Andreas


No.

It was a guy.

;o)

Andy wrote:
On Nov 26, 6:54 am, Andreas Maurer wrote:
one at 400 ft (non-connected elavator during winch launch).

Wow, that's impressive! Was the glider in an uncontrolled climb when
the bale out was initiated or had the cable broken?

I've read one such incident report, dunno whether it was the same
incident. Point is, most gliders climb just fine on the winch on their
own. Maybe not perfectly, but fine. The pilot waited until the whinch
launch had finished and then bailed out from more or less horizontal
flight. Bottom line is: yes, you can bail out successfully from winch
launch height.