Whose War? Patrick J. Buchanan - The American Conservative

"John A. Stovall" wrote
I would also suggest you look at these two site on how Islam treats
religious minorities and has treated them since it's beginning.

That's only for people of the Book- Christians, Jews and some other small
sects. Most people of the world are infidels- completely outside the
protection of any consideration at all- they are to submit or die. Mohammed
set the pattern with his Companions- conquering the Arabian Peninsula.
History doesn't even the butcher's bill for the expansion of Islam across
the mid-east into Northern India, SEAsia, Indonesia and the Filipines;
across East Africa, North Africa- no one remembers something having been
forgotten.
And it goes on today- Islam's depredations towards Europe, and even the Near
East ain't a peach on what they're doing in SEAsia and through the
Archipelago.

Chas

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ...
Chas wrote:
"Fred the Red Shirt" DID NOT WRITE:

.....again, the Muslims claim a proprietary authority over their holy sites
and desecrate
those of other religions.


You screwed up the attributions.

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FF

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ...
John A. Stovall wrote:
On Sun, 2 May 2004 16:22:08 -0400, "George Z. Bush"
wrote:

Chas wrote:
"Fred the Red Shirt" DID NOT WRITE:

.....again, the Muslims claim a proprietary authority over their holy sites
and desecrate those of other religions.



You screwed up the attributions.

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FF

"Chas" wrote in message ...
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote
Because Islam has come for us and we've got it to do with them.
Iraq was not an Islamic state. It HAD a secular government. However
when we leave, the fundamentalist Islamists might take over.

It's entirely because Iraq was titularly a secular state that made it a good
demonstration project for the rest of them.

Saddam got to ride the pipe because he was a secular muslim and nobody
would
get ****ed from a religious standpoint. Iraq and Afghanistan provide
good
platforms for confronting Islam on their own ground- better to fight
there
than here.
You contradict yourself. None of the reasons for taking the war on
AL Queda to Afghanistan were appicable to escalating the war in Iraq.

Not in the least. Saddam was a secular leader out of an Islamic base. You'll
notice he had his ass in the air, calling for help from the jihadi, when it
suited him.

GWB calls upon Christian relgion and Christian GOD too. It doesn't
make us a Christian Nation.

The best we could do at this point would be to support an autonomous
Kurdish State. I'm sur hte Kurds would be happy to host a large US
military base in Kurdistan and the Saudis are anxious for us to leave
Saudi Arabia.

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FF

"Chas" wrote in message
...
"George Z. Bush" wrote
.....again, the Muslims claim a proprietary authority over their holy
sites
and desecrate
those of other religions.
I'm not a defender of Islam but just out of curiosity, could you give me a
couple of examples that might illustrate your point?

The Bamiyan Buddhas are a great example; so was the seige of the Church of
the Nativity last year- hell; the Dome of the Rock on Temple Mount is the
classic. The destruction of Coptic churches, much less the massacre of them
in Egypt; the destruction of Christian churches in the Sudan, in Indonesia-
it's pervasive.

.....I certinly can't think of
any Christian sites that are treated that way by Muslims.

Yeah; they destroyed them a thousand years ago- there's no Little Chapel of
the Ka'abah for example.

Do you suppose it's too late to bring the culprits to justice?

George Z.

"Chas" wrote in message
...
"George Z. Bush" wrote
In both cases, we're dealing with reports concerning the activities of
Palestinians, who I am convinced have sole ownership of the bottom of the
entire
Muslim gene pool. Is it fair to blame all of the world's billion or so
Muslims
with the depradations of a few twisted members who share their faith,
however
imperfectly?

It is when Islam refuses to deal with them on it's own.
They admit to 10% 'fundamentalists'. That means some 160,000,000 strong,
young, highly motivated warriors- promised an eternity in Paradise with you
holding the horses if they die in battle against you.

I thought my point was fairly clear; it's eminently unfair to blame 90% of the
Muslim population for the depravations of the fundamentalist 10%. If you did
that, you'd be condemning over a billion Muslims for the wrongdoings of just a
fraction of them.

George Z.

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
Chas wrote:
"Fred the Red Shirt" DID NOT WRITE:

.....again, the Muslims claim a proprietary authority over their holy
sites
and desecrate
those of other religions.


You screwed up the attributions.

Sorry about that. Who the hell did say it? It looked like you on my monitor,
but if you say not, I won't argue the point.

George Z.

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
John A. Stovall wrote:
On Sun, 2 May 2004 16:22:08 -0400, "George Z. Bush"
wrote:

Chas wrote:
"Fred the Red Shirt" DID NOT WRITE:

.....again, the Muslims claim a proprietary authority over their holy
sites
and desecrate those of other religions.



You screwed up the attributions.

I may have screwed up once, so I only apologize once. You've already got that,
so there's no need to bore the public with repetitions.

George Z.

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
"Chas" wrote in message
...
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote
Because Islam has come for us and we've got it to do with them.
Iraq was not an Islamic state. It HAD a secular government. However
when we leave, the fundamentalist Islamists might take over.

It's entirely because Iraq was titularly a secular state that made it a good
demonstration project for the rest of them.

Saddam got to ride the pipe because he was a secular muslim and nobody
would
get ****ed from a religious standpoint. Iraq and Afghanistan provide
good
platforms for confronting Islam on their own ground- better to fight
there
than here.
You contradict yourself. None of the reasons for taking the war on
AL Queda to Afghanistan were appicable to escalating the war in Iraq.

Not in the least. Saddam was a secular leader out of an Islamic base. You'll
notice he had his ass in the air, calling for help from the jihadi, when it
suited him.

GWB calls upon Christian relgion and Christian GOD too. It doesn't
make us a Christian Nation.

The best we could do at this point would be to support an autonomous
Kurdish State. I'm sur hte Kurds would be happy to host a large US
military base in Kurdistan and the Saudis are anxious for us to leave
Saudi Arabia.

You may be right, but that'd sure as hell **** off the Turks, and they've been
our friends for a long, long time. Not an easy problem to solve, is it?

George Z.

George Z. Bush wrote:
"Chas" wrote in message
...
"George Z. Bush" wrote

In both cases, we're dealing with reports concerning the activities of
Palestinians, who I am convinced have sole ownership of the bottom of the
entire
Muslim gene pool. Is it fair to blame all of the world's billion or so
Muslims
with the depradations of a few twisted members who share their faith,
however imperfectly?

It is when Islam refuses to deal with them on it's own.
They admit to 10% 'fundamentalists'. That means some 160,000,000 strong,
young, highly motivated warriors- promised an eternity in Paradise with you
holding the horses if they die in battle against you.

I thought my point was fairly clear; it's eminently unfair to blame 90% of the
Muslim population for the depravations of the fundamentalist 10%.

Christians are making that argument to me all the time -- that it's
unfair to blame Christians as a whole for the ~90% who are malicious.