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After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, fudog50
confessed the following: Here is one for starters, I'm sure you will get all defensive about it, I don't make the guidelines, but here are some of them. You realize of course that FOUR times in this thread. YOU have reposted information that you feel is violating OPSEC. So in a sense you PERSONALLY have put those individuals at risk...please report yourself Jethro Gibbs (Mark Harmon) and the rest of the guys on Navy NCIS. Juvat 
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May 23rd 04, 05:08 PM
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In article , fudog50
wrote: Here is one for starters, I'm sure you will get all defensive about it, I don't make the guidelines, but here are some of them. http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/a021202b.html That is a Department of Energy site, and perhaps it might be more on-point to have DoD Instructions, Air Force Regulations, etc. Yet, here is a partial quote: Assessment of Risks Vulnerabilities and specific threats must be matched. Where the vulnerabilities are great and the adversary threat is evident, the risk of adversary exploitation is expected. Therefore, a high priority for protection needs to be assigned and corrective action taken. Where the vulnerability is slight and the adversary has a marginal collection capability, the priority should be low. Application of the Countermeasures Countermeasures need to be developed that eliminate the vulnerabilities, threats, or utility of the information to the adversaries. The possible countermeasures should include alternatives that may vary in effectiveness, feasibility, and cost. Countermeasures may include anything that is likely to work in a particular situation. The decision of whether to implement countermeasures must be based on cost/benefit analysis and an evaluation of the overall program objectives. In other words, countermeasures such as remaining completely silent are meant to be applied when a risk can be characterized. In an earlier posts, I described, from the standpoint of how an analyst would use this material, that the risk is quite low.
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May 23rd 04, 08:48 PM
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I took a look at the article. The deal here is Al or civilians in
general don't know anything in the sense that they don't know when that plane will be arriving or dispatched. A guy with a scanner only has knowledge of the present AND nobody in the military gave him that knowledge. The assumption is whatever Al is doing can be done by the enemy, though probably not as good of a job as Al does. fudog50 wrote in message . .. Here is one for starters, I'm sure you will get all defensive about it, I don't make the guidelines, but here are some of them. http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/a021202b.html On 18 May 2004 03:17:15 GMT, (AllanStern) wrote: Monday, 17 May 2004 Interesting comms today: some concerning one of the nation's newest acft, the F/A-22 now at Tyndall AFB, and some about the good old days when "The Real Stuff" was going on at Cape Canaveral, and I was there. AIR TRANSPORT 400: DC-8, Little Rock (USAF Contractor) 8:58am: Lands Patrick. Later departs to Antigua, then to Ascension - both USAF Eastern Test Range downrange sites. [133.75] N4667B: CE-208B Cessna Caravan, US State Dept, Intl Narcotics Mission/Air Wing, Patrick AFB. 9:17am: Departs Patrick. 2:50pm: Lands Patrick. [133.75] HAWK 85; F/A-18D, Beaufort MCAS VMFA(AW)-533 9:44am: Transitions area to Mayport NAF [269.3, 273.55] MAKOs 11, 12: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:01am: Arrives to work at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 138.125] SHARK 21: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:25am: Arrives to work at Avon Park Bombing Range. 10:45am: RTBs to HST. [292.2, 307.1, 139.8] AX 186: C-130T, Andrews AFB VR-53 "Capitol Express" 10:31am: Area transition. Might be C-40 acft replacing VR-53's C-130Ts, as noted by Sandy in Colo recently. [133.475, 132.15] BRONCO 01: OV-10D, US State Dept US State Dept, Intl Narcotics Mission/Air Wing, Patrick AFB. 10:45am: Departs Patrick (flight of 2). 4:12pm: Lands Patrick. [133.75] AKULA 31: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:52am: Single ship, arrives at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 307.1] JOLLYs 11, 12: HH-60G Pave Hawk Helos, Patrick AFB 920RQW 11:51am: Departs Patrick; approaches at KMLB, Patrick. [269.375] PJ 610: P-3C, Whidbey Island NAS VP-69 "Totems" Sqdn 12:10pm: Lands Patrick. [269.375] HQ 475: SH-60B, Mayport NAF HSL-46 "Grandmasters" Sqdn 12:30pm: Area transition. [132.65] VDA 4813: AN-124, Volga Dnepr (Contractor) 2:30pm: Departs NASA-KSC Shuttle Landing Facility. This huge Ukrainian transport had RONd previous night after bringing large aerospace cargo. Note RON at SLF instead of CCAFS whose runway is closed for construction. [128.55, 132.65, 124.8, 133.3] VAMPIRE 72: F/A-22, Tyndall AFB 325FW 43FS 2:45pm: Touch and go at Patrick on apparent fam flight through area; remains at low altitude (and therefor VHF freqs). This is my first snag of comms from an F/A-22. Was a bit too low and fast for me to get into my camera window. Tyndall is USAF's only F/A-22 schoolhouse; so I expect to see more of them. Made a wonderful shallow swooping pass over my house off of Patrick's Rnwy 20 before heading south along the coast. I LIKE this plane. Looks like it loves to roll. [133.75, 1312.65, 132.25] SHARKs 21, 22, 23: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 3:00pm: Strafing at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 285.725, 139.8] MAKO 11 Flight: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 3:00pm: Hitting tgts at Avon Park. 3:04pm: MAKO 11 has to RTB HST with problem. 3:40pm: Balance of flight RTBs. [292.2, 285.725, 307.1, 269.3, 239.25, 370.9, 322.5] SHARK 89: C-130. 3:39pm: Area transition, to waypoint Nassau. [119.825] LIMA LIMA 38: P-3C Jacksonville NAS VP-30 "Pro's Nest" Sqdn. 3:45pm: Area transition. [133.475] ZANTOP 757: Zantop Intl (Charter), Ypsilanti MI 5:27pm: Area transition. Those of us who were here in the 1960s Hey-days of the space program, remember the ever-present Zantop acft at Patrick AFB, supporting operations. ZANTOP 757 engaged in some great reminiscences about those days; this pilot flew flights into Patrick in the old days, and the 133.475 ATC was controlling flights back then. Nice to hear them chat and to feel the nostalgia of my days during the Gemini missions and the Saturn-Apollo moon-landing flights. I used to monitor the action right from the beach in those days. BOLT 13: KC-135R, MacDill 6AMW. 10:03pm: En route to Homestead. [133.475, 119.825, 132.25] AL STERN Satellite Beach FL (28-11N 80-36W) monitoring Patrick AFB (KCOF) NASA-KSC Shuttle Landing Fac (KX68) Avon Park Bombing Range (KAGR) Cape Canaveral AFS (KXMR) JSTARS E-8 Acft Integration Facility, Melbourne IAP (KMLB) Worldwide Military HF Communications Life Member: Missile, Space and Range Pioneers. http://hometown.aol.com/allanstern/m...age/index.html (My Freqs) http://hometown.aol.com/scanaddict/index.html (My Equipment)
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May 24th 04, 06:26 PM
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I'm looking for sites with lists of online scanner links for police,
fire, railroad, tunable scanners, EMS, or any type of emergency service. I am also looking for live ATC, Ground control, etc... Thanks, Klaus VirtualTuner.com (miso) wrote in message . com... I took a look at the article. The deal here is Al or civilians in general don't know anything in the sense that they don't know when that plane will be arriving or dispatched. A guy with a scanner only has knowledge of the present AND nobody in the military gave him that knowledge. The assumption is whatever Al is doing can be done by the enemy, though probably not as good of a job as Al does. fudog50 wrote in message . .. Here is one for starters, I'm sure you will get all defensive about it, I don't make the guidelines, but here are some of them. http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/a021202b.html On 18 May 2004 03:17:15 GMT, (AllanStern) wrote: Monday, 17 May 2004 Interesting comms today: some concerning one of the nation's newest acft, the F/A-22 now at Tyndall AFB, and some about the good old days when "The Real Stuff" was going on at Cape Canaveral, and I was there. AIR TRANSPORT 400: DC-8, Little Rock (USAF Contractor) 8:58am: Lands Patrick. Later departs to Antigua, then to Ascension - both USAF Eastern Test Range downrange sites. [133.75] N4667B: CE-208B Cessna Caravan, US State Dept, Intl Narcotics Mission/Air Wing, Patrick AFB. 9:17am: Departs Patrick. 2:50pm: Lands Patrick. [133.75] HAWK 85; F/A-18D, Beaufort MCAS VMFA(AW)-533 9:44am: Transitions area to Mayport NAF [269.3, 273.55] MAKOs 11, 12: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:01am: Arrives to work at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 138.125] SHARK 21: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:25am: Arrives to work at Avon Park Bombing Range. 10:45am: RTBs to HST. [292.2, 307.1, 139.8] AX 186: C-130T, Andrews AFB VR-53 "Capitol Express" 10:31am: Area transition. Might be C-40 acft replacing VR-53's C-130Ts, as noted by Sandy in Colo recently. [133.475, 132.15] BRONCO 01: OV-10D, US State Dept US State Dept, Intl Narcotics Mission/Air Wing, Patrick AFB. 10:45am: Departs Patrick (flight of 2). 4:12pm: Lands Patrick. [133.75] AKULA 31: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:52am: Single ship, arrives at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 307.1] JOLLYs 11, 12: HH-60G Pave Hawk Helos, Patrick AFB 920RQW 11:51am: Departs Patrick; approaches at KMLB, Patrick. [269.375] PJ 610: P-3C, Whidbey Island NAS VP-69 "Totems" Sqdn 12:10pm: Lands Patrick. [269.375] HQ 475: SH-60B, Mayport NAF HSL-46 "Grandmasters" Sqdn 12:30pm: Area transition. [132.65] VDA 4813: AN-124, Volga Dnepr (Contractor) 2:30pm: Departs NASA-KSC Shuttle Landing Facility. This huge Ukrainian transport had RONd previous night after bringing large aerospace cargo. Note RON at SLF instead of CCAFS whose runway is closed for construction. [128.55, 132.65, 124.8, 133.3] VAMPIRE 72: F/A-22, Tyndall AFB 325FW 43FS 2:45pm: Touch and go at Patrick on apparent fam flight through area; remains at low altitude (and therefor VHF freqs). This is my first snag of comms from an F/A-22. Was a bit too low and fast for me to get into my camera window. Tyndall is USAF's only F/A-22 schoolhouse; so I expect to see more of them. Made a wonderful shallow swooping pass over my house off of Patrick's Rnwy 20 before heading south along the coast. I LIKE this plane. Looks like it loves to roll. [133.75, 1312.65, 132.25] SHARKs 21, 22, 23: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 3:00pm: Strafing at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 285.725, 139.8] MAKO 11 Flight: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 3:00pm: Hitting tgts at Avon Park. 3:04pm: MAKO 11 has to RTB HST with problem. 3:40pm: Balance of flight RTBs. [292.2, 285.725, 307.1, 269.3, 239.25, 370.9, 322.5] SHARK 89: C-130. 3:39pm: Area transition, to waypoint Nassau. [119.825] LIMA LIMA 38: P-3C Jacksonville NAS VP-30 "Pro's Nest" Sqdn. 3:45pm: Area transition. [133.475] ZANTOP 757: Zantop Intl (Charter), Ypsilanti MI 5:27pm: Area transition. Those of us who were here in the 1960s Hey-days of the space program, remember the ever-present Zantop acft at Patrick AFB, supporting operations. ZANTOP 757 engaged in some great reminiscences about those days; this pilot flew flights into Patrick in the old days, and the 133.475 ATC was controlling flights back then. Nice to hear them chat and to feel the nostalgia of my days during the Gemini missions and the Saturn-Apollo moon-landing flights. I used to monitor the action right from the beach in those days. BOLT 13: KC-135R, MacDill 6AMW. 10:03pm: En route to Homestead. [133.475, 119.825, 132.25] AL STERN Satellite Beach FL (28-11N 80-36W) monitoring Patrick AFB (KCOF) NASA-KSC Shuttle Landing Fac (KX68) Avon Park Bombing Range (KAGR) Cape Canaveral AFS (KXMR) JSTARS E-8 Acft Integration Facility, Melbourne IAP (KMLB) Worldwide Military HF Communications Life Member: Missile, Space and Range Pioneers. http://hometown.aol.com/allanstern/m...age/index.html (My Freqs) http://hometown.aol.com/scanaddict/index.html (My Equipment)
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May 25th 04, 05:53 AM
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Try radioreference.com for frequencies. For online scanners, I suggest
joining LiveScannerAudio at yahoogroups and asking for info there. For tuneable scanners, some guys are working on this in the livescanneraudio yahoogroups. For live remote control scanners that work now, check out http://www.dxtuners.com/servlet/IBMa...let/?ib_page=1 I used to use this site when it was called javaradio.com to monitor the ATC at Palmdale and Edwards, but that scanner went offline. There is a site that has links to live ATC, but I can't seem to locate the link. There are maybe 5 airports covered, so it wasn't very extensive. (Klaus Gerber) wrote in message . com... I'm looking for sites with lists of online scanner links for police, fire, railroad, tunable scanners, EMS, or any type of emergency service. I am also looking for live ATC, Ground control, etc... Thanks, Klaus VirtualTuner.com (miso) wrote in message . com... I took a look at the article. The deal here is Al or civilians in general don't know anything in the sense that they don't know when that plane will be arriving or dispatched. A guy with a scanner only has knowledge of the present AND nobody in the military gave him that knowledge. The assumption is whatever Al is doing can be done by the enemy, though probably not as good of a job as Al does. fudog50 wrote in message . .. Here is one for starters, I'm sure you will get all defensive about it, I don't make the guidelines, but here are some of them. http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/a021202b.html On 18 May 2004 03:17:15 GMT, (AllanStern) wrote: Monday, 17 May 2004 Interesting comms today: some concerning one of the nation's newest acft, the F/A-22 now at Tyndall AFB, and some about the good old days when "The Real Stuff" was going on at Cape Canaveral, and I was there. AIR TRANSPORT 400: DC-8, Little Rock (USAF Contractor) 8:58am: Lands Patrick. Later departs to Antigua, then to Ascension - both USAF Eastern Test Range downrange sites. [133.75] N4667B: CE-208B Cessna Caravan, US State Dept, Intl Narcotics Mission/Air Wing, Patrick AFB. 9:17am: Departs Patrick. 2:50pm: Lands Patrick. [133.75] HAWK 85; F/A-18D, Beaufort MCAS VMFA(AW)-533 9:44am: Transitions area to Mayport NAF [269.3, 273.55] MAKOs 11, 12: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:01am: Arrives to work at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 138.125] SHARK 21: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:25am: Arrives to work at Avon Park Bombing Range. 10:45am: RTBs to HST. [292.2, 307.1, 139.8] AX 186: C-130T, Andrews AFB VR-53 "Capitol Express" 10:31am: Area transition. Might be C-40 acft replacing VR-53's C-130Ts, as noted by Sandy in Colo recently. [133.475, 132.15] BRONCO 01: OV-10D, US State Dept US State Dept, Intl Narcotics Mission/Air Wing, Patrick AFB. 10:45am: Departs Patrick (flight of 2). 4:12pm: Lands Patrick. [133.75] AKULA 31: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:52am: Single ship, arrives at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 307.1] JOLLYs 11, 12: HH-60G Pave Hawk Helos, Patrick AFB 920RQW 11:51am: Departs Patrick; approaches at KMLB, Patrick. [269.375] PJ 610: P-3C, Whidbey Island NAS VP-69 "Totems" Sqdn 12:10pm: Lands Patrick. [269.375] HQ 475: SH-60B, Mayport NAF HSL-46 "Grandmasters" Sqdn 12:30pm: Area transition. [132.65] VDA 4813: AN-124, Volga Dnepr (Contractor) 2:30pm: Departs NASA-KSC Shuttle Landing Facility. This huge Ukrainian transport had RONd previous night after bringing large aerospace cargo. Note RON at SLF instead of CCAFS whose runway is closed for construction. [128.55, 132.65, 124.8, 133.3] VAMPIRE 72: F/A-22, Tyndall AFB 325FW 43FS 2:45pm: Touch and go at Patrick on apparent fam flight through area; remains at low altitude (and therefor VHF freqs). This is my first snag of comms from an F/A-22. Was a bit too low and fast for me to get into my camera window. Tyndall is USAF's only F/A-22 schoolhouse; so I expect to see more of them. Made a wonderful shallow swooping pass over my house off of Patrick's Rnwy 20 before heading south along the coast. I LIKE this plane. Looks like it loves to roll. [133.75, 1312.65, 132.25] SHARKs 21, 22, 23: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 3:00pm: Strafing at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 285.725, 139.8] MAKO 11 Flight: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 3:00pm: Hitting tgts at Avon Park. 3:04pm: MAKO 11 has to RTB HST with problem. 3:40pm: Balance of flight RTBs. [292.2, 285.725, 307.1, 269.3, 239.25, 370.9, 322.5] SHARK 89: C-130. 3:39pm: Area transition, to waypoint Nassau. [119.825] LIMA LIMA 38: P-3C Jacksonville NAS VP-30 "Pro's Nest" Sqdn. 3:45pm: Area transition. [133.475] ZANTOP 757: Zantop Intl (Charter), Ypsilanti MI 5:27pm: Area transition. Those of us who were here in the 1960s Hey-days of the space program, remember the ever-present Zantop acft at Patrick AFB, supporting operations. ZANTOP 757 engaged in some great reminiscences about those days; this pilot flew flights into Patrick in the old days, and the 133.475 ATC was controlling flights back then. Nice to hear them chat and to feel the nostalgia of my days during the Gemini missions and the Saturn-Apollo moon-landing flights. I used to monitor the action right from the beach in those days. BOLT 13: KC-135R, MacDill 6AMW. 10:03pm: En route to Homestead. [133.475, 119.825, 132.25] AL STERN Satellite Beach FL (28-11N 80-36W) monitoring Patrick AFB (KCOF) NASA-KSC Shuttle Landing Fac (KX68) Avon Park Bombing Range (KAGR) Cape Canaveral AFS (KXMR) JSTARS E-8 Acft Integration Facility, Melbourne IAP (KMLB) Worldwide Military HF Communications Life Member: Missile, Space and Range Pioneers. http://hometown.aol.com/allanstern/m...age/index.html (My Freqs) http://hometown.aol.com/scanaddict/index.html (My Equipment)
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Thanks for the information, I will check it out. Anyone else have suggestions?
(miso) wrote in message . com... Try radioreference.com for frequencies. For online scanners, I suggest joining LiveScannerAudio at yahoogroups and asking for info there. For tuneable scanners, some guys are working on this in the livescanneraudio yahoogroups. For live remote control scanners that work now, check out http://www.dxtuners.com/servlet/IBMa...let/?ib_page=1 I used to use this site when it was called javaradio.com to monitor the ATC at Palmdale and Edwards, but that scanner went offline. There is a site that has links to live ATC, but I can't seem to locate the link. There are maybe 5 airports covered, so it wasn't very extensive. (Klaus Gerber) wrote in message . com... I'm looking for sites with lists of online scanner links for police, fire, railroad, tunable scanners, EMS, or any type of emergency service. I am also looking for live ATC, Ground control, etc... Thanks, Klaus VirtualTuner.com (miso) wrote in message . com... I took a look at the article. The deal here is Al or civilians in general don't know anything in the sense that they don't know when that plane will be arriving or dispatched. A guy with a scanner only has knowledge of the present AND nobody in the military gave him that knowledge. The assumption is whatever Al is doing can be done by the enemy, though probably not as good of a job as Al does. fudog50 wrote in message . .. Here is one for starters, I'm sure you will get all defensive about it, I don't make the guidelines, but here are some of them. http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/a021202b.html On 18 May 2004 03:17:15 GMT, (AllanStern) wrote: Monday, 17 May 2004 Interesting comms today: some concerning one of the nation's newest acft, the F/A-22 now at Tyndall AFB, and some about the good old days when "The Real Stuff" was going on at Cape Canaveral, and I was there. AIR TRANSPORT 400: DC-8, Little Rock (USAF Contractor) 8:58am: Lands Patrick. Later departs to Antigua, then to Ascension - both USAF Eastern Test Range downrange sites. [133.75] N4667B: CE-208B Cessna Caravan, US State Dept, Intl Narcotics Mission/Air Wing, Patrick AFB. 9:17am: Departs Patrick. 2:50pm: Lands Patrick. [133.75] HAWK 85; F/A-18D, Beaufort MCAS VMFA(AW)-533 9:44am: Transitions area to Mayport NAF [269.3, 273.55] MAKOs 11, 12: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:01am: Arrives to work at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 138.125] SHARK 21: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:25am: Arrives to work at Avon Park Bombing Range. 10:45am: RTBs to HST. [292.2, 307.1, 139.8] AX 186: C-130T, Andrews AFB VR-53 "Capitol Express" 10:31am: Area transition. Might be C-40 acft replacing VR-53's C-130Ts, as noted by Sandy in Colo recently. [133.475, 132.15] BRONCO 01: OV-10D, US State Dept US State Dept, Intl Narcotics Mission/Air Wing, Patrick AFB. 10:45am: Departs Patrick (flight of 2). 4:12pm: Lands Patrick. [133.75] AKULA 31: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:52am: Single ship, arrives at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 307.1] JOLLYs 11, 12: HH-60G Pave Hawk Helos, Patrick AFB 920RQW 11:51am: Departs Patrick; approaches at KMLB, Patrick. [269.375] PJ 610: P-3C, Whidbey Island NAS VP-69 "Totems" Sqdn 12:10pm: Lands Patrick. [269.375] HQ 475: SH-60B, Mayport NAF HSL-46 "Grandmasters" Sqdn 12:30pm: Area transition. [132.65] VDA 4813: AN-124, Volga Dnepr (Contractor) 2:30pm: Departs NASA-KSC Shuttle Landing Facility. This huge Ukrainian transport had RONd previous night after bringing large aerospace cargo. Note RON at SLF instead of CCAFS whose runway is closed for construction. [128.55, 132.65, 124.8, 133.3] VAMPIRE 72: F/A-22, Tyndall AFB 325FW 43FS 2:45pm: Touch and go at Patrick on apparent fam flight through area; remains at low altitude (and therefor VHF freqs). This is my first snag of comms from an F/A-22. Was a bit too low and fast for me to get into my camera window. Tyndall is USAF's only F/A-22 schoolhouse; so I expect to see more of them. Made a wonderful shallow swooping pass over my house off of Patrick's Rnwy 20 before heading south along the coast. I LIKE this plane. Looks like it loves to roll. [133.75, 1312.65, 132.25] SHARKs 21, 22, 23: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 3:00pm: Strafing at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 285.725, 139.8] MAKO 11 Flight: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 3:00pm: Hitting tgts at Avon Park. 3:04pm: MAKO 11 has to RTB HST with problem. 3:40pm: Balance of flight RTBs. [292.2, 285.725, 307.1, 269.3, 239.25, 370.9, 322.5] SHARK 89: C-130. 3:39pm: Area transition, to waypoint Nassau. [119.825] LIMA LIMA 38: P-3C Jacksonville NAS VP-30 "Pro's Nest" Sqdn. 3:45pm: Area transition. [133.475] ZANTOP 757: Zantop Intl (Charter), Ypsilanti MI 5:27pm: Area transition. Those of us who were here in the 1960s Hey-days of the space program, remember the ever-present Zantop acft at Patrick AFB, supporting operations. ZANTOP 757 engaged in some great reminiscences about those days; this pilot flew flights into Patrick in the old days, and the 133.475 ATC was controlling flights back then. Nice to hear them chat and to feel the nostalgia of my days during the Gemini missions and the Saturn-Apollo moon-landing flights. I used to monitor the action right from the beach in those days. BOLT 13: KC-135R, MacDill 6AMW. 10:03pm: En route to Homestead. [133.475, 119.825, 132.25] AL STERN Satellite Beach FL (28-11N 80-36W) monitoring Patrick AFB (KCOF) NASA-KSC Shuttle Landing Fac (KX68) Avon Park Bombing Range (KAGR) Cape Canaveral AFS (KXMR) JSTARS E-8 Acft Integration Facility, Melbourne IAP (KMLB) Worldwide Military HF Communications Life Member: Missile, Space and Range Pioneers. http://hometown.aol.com/allanstern/m...age/index.html (My Freqs) http://hometown.aol.com/scanaddict/index.html (My Equipment)
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I stand that it ain't right,,,,no matter how you wanna debate it,,,
keep going,,,I got all day... On 18 May 2004 03:17:15 GMT, (AllanStern) wrote: Monday, 17 May 2004 Interesting comms today: some concerning one of the nation's newest acft, the F/A-22 now at Tyndall AFB, and some about the good old days when "The Real Stuff" was going on at Cape Canaveral, and I was there. AIR TRANSPORT 400: DC-8, Little Rock (USAF Contractor) 8:58am: Lands Patrick. Later departs to Antigua, then to Ascension - both USAF Eastern Test Range downrange sites. [133.75] N4667B: CE-208B Cessna Caravan, US State Dept, Intl Narcotics Mission/Air Wing, Patrick AFB. 9:17am: Departs Patrick. 2:50pm: Lands Patrick. [133.75] HAWK 85; F/A-18D, Beaufort MCAS VMFA(AW)-533 9:44am: Transitions area to Mayport NAF [269.3, 273.55] MAKOs 11, 12: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:01am: Arrives to work at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 138.125] SHARK 21: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:25am: Arrives to work at Avon Park Bombing Range. 10:45am: RTBs to HST. [292.2, 307.1, 139.8] AX 186: C-130T, Andrews AFB VR-53 "Capitol Express" 10:31am: Area transition. Might be C-40 acft replacing VR-53's C-130Ts, as noted by Sandy in Colo recently. [133.475, 132.15] BRONCO 01: OV-10D, US State Dept US State Dept, Intl Narcotics Mission/Air Wing, Patrick AFB. 10:45am: Departs Patrick (flight of 2). 4:12pm: Lands Patrick. [133.75] AKULA 31: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 10:52am: Single ship, arrives at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 307.1] JOLLYs 11, 12: HH-60G Pave Hawk Helos, Patrick AFB 920RQW 11:51am: Departs Patrick; approaches at KMLB, Patrick. [269.375] PJ 610: P-3C, Whidbey Island NAS VP-69 "Totems" Sqdn 12:10pm: Lands Patrick. [269.375] HQ 475: SH-60B, Mayport NAF HSL-46 "Grandmasters" Sqdn 12:30pm: Area transition. [132.65] VDA 4813: AN-124, Volga Dnepr (Contractor) 2:30pm: Departs NASA-KSC Shuttle Landing Facility. This huge Ukrainian transport had RONd previous night after bringing large aerospace cargo. Note RON at SLF instead of CCAFS whose runway is closed for construction. [128.55, 132.65, 124.8, 133.3] VAMPIRE 72: F/A-22, Tyndall AFB 325FW 43FS 2:45pm: Touch and go at Patrick on apparent fam flight through area; remains at low altitude (and therefor VHF freqs). This is my first snag of comms from an F/A-22. Was a bit too low and fast for me to get into my camera window. Tyndall is USAF's only F/A-22 schoolhouse; so I expect to see more of them. Made a wonderful shallow swooping pass over my house off of Patrick's Rnwy 20 before heading south along the coast. I LIKE this plane. Looks like it loves to roll. [133.75, 1312.65, 132.25] SHARKs 21, 22, 23: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 3:00pm: Strafing at Avon Park Bombing Range. [292.2, 285.725, 139.8] MAKO 11 Flight: F-16C, Homestead JARB 482FW 93FS 3:00pm: Hitting tgts at Avon Park. 3:04pm: MAKO 11 has to RTB HST with problem. 3:40pm: Balance of flight RTBs. [292.2, 285.725, 307.1, 269.3, 239.25, 370.9, 322.5] SHARK 89: C-130. 3:39pm: Area transition, to waypoint Nassau. [119.825] LIMA LIMA 38: P-3C Jacksonville NAS VP-30 "Pro's Nest" Sqdn. 3:45pm: Area transition. [133.475] ZANTOP 757: Zantop Intl (Charter), Ypsilanti MI 5:27pm: Area transition. Those of us who were here in the 1960s Hey-days of the space program, remember the ever-present Zantop acft at Patrick AFB, supporting operations. ZANTOP 757 engaged in some great reminiscences about those days; this pilot flew flights into Patrick in the old days, and the 133.475 ATC was controlling flights back then. Nice to hear them chat and to feel the nostalgia of my days during the Gemini missions and the Saturn-Apollo moon-landing flights. I used to monitor the action right from the beach in those days. BOLT 13: KC-135R, MacDill 6AMW. 10:03pm: En route to Homestead. [133.475, 119.825, 132.25] AL STERN Satellite Beach FL (28-11N 80-36W) monitoring Patrick AFB (KCOF) NASA-KSC Shuttle Landing Fac (KX68) Avon Park Bombing Range (KAGR) Cape Canaveral AFS (KXMR) JSTARS E-8 Acft Integration Facility, Melbourne IAP (KMLB) Worldwide Military HF Communications Life Member: Missile, Space and Range Pioneers. http://hometown.aol.com/allanstern/m...age/index.html (My Freqs) http://hometown.aol.com/scanaddict/index.html (My Equipment)
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May 24th 04, 08:20 AM
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In article , fudog50
wrote: I stand that it ain't right,,,,no matter how you wanna debate it,,, keep going,,,I got all day... I take that to mean you won't debate it, you won't examine any interpretation to the contrary including excerpts from the actual document YOU cited as authoritative, and, in general, prefer the position of your mind is made up.
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May 24th 04, 12:32 PM
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After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, fudog50
confessed the following: I stand that it ain't right,,,,no matter how you wanna debate it,,, keep going,,,I got all day... LOL Keep going? As in re-posting information that you deem in violation of OPSEC guidelines? Too funny. I'm gonna go out on a limb and speculate that you do not see the wonderful irony. So if the bad guys didn't see it the first four times you reposted information you deemed sensitive, you'll make sure they can. LOL! You go girl!
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