Don't point RPGs at US soldiers!

I'm not even convinced it was a sniper shot. . .looked like automatic
weapons fire to me. . repeated shooting and I picked out 2, maybe 3 tracer
rounds. Do we even know where it was taken (I don't speak the language of
the news reporter!).. might it have been Israel rather than Iraq?

--
Regards
Drewe
"Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colourful rag is unfurled"

"Dav1936531" wrote in message
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From: Nuk


I'd say he was planning hit a squad of Marines, or a Humvee or APC or
similar, but they saw him first and he found himself staring down the
barrels of a few US Marines...

Nah, you can see the bullets kick up clouds of dust in the street from
both the
chest and head shots. Whomever got him plainly shot him from a roof top,
i.e.,
it was probably a sniper watching over a patrol....not a patroller.

As I mentioned before, I think the Marine snipers are using bolt actions,
however, I have seen some pics of US Army snipers carrying tricked up M-14
sniper variants. I am thinking this guy was had by an Army sniper because
of
the quick follow-up shot. Consequently, I also doubt this video is from
the
Fallujah action, since it was the Marines laying siege in Fallujah.

I'm still trying to figure out why he was in the middle of a street,
no cover, no camo... stupid, stupid, stupid...

It's a "jihad" for Allah. Rationality plays little part.

One wonders just exactly what the insurgents even think they are trying to
accomplish. What will surely result if they gain supremacy is chaos, civil
war,
and the weakening of Iraq making it a tempting invasion target for the
likes of
Iran. So, if they think they are fighting for the good of Iraq, they are
merely
deluding themselves.
Dave


I'm not so sure, it sounded and awful lot like a SAW. Counted nine or ten
shots fired, looks like the first couple severed his spine. The rest, chest
and head, Great shooting!!

T3

"T3" wrote in message
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"Dav1936531" wrote in message
...
From: Nuk


I'd say he was planning hit a squad of Marines, or a Humvee or APC or
similar, but they saw him first and he found himself staring down the
barrels of a few US Marines...

Nah, you can see the bullets kick up clouds of dust in the street from
both the
chest and head shots. Whomever got him plainly shot him from a roof top,
i.e.,
it was probably a sniper watching over a patrol....not a patroller.

As I mentioned before, I think the Marine snipers are using bolt
actions,
however, I have seen some pics of US Army snipers carrying tricked up
M-14
sniper variants. I am thinking this guy was had by an Army sniper
because
of
the quick follow-up shot. Consequently, I also doubt this video is from
the
Fallujah action, since it was the Marines laying siege in Fallujah.

I'm still trying to figure out why he was in the middle of a street,
no cover, no camo... stupid, stupid, stupid...

It's a "jihad" for Allah. Rationality plays little part.

One wonders just exactly what the insurgents even think they are trying
to
accomplish. What will surely result if they gain supremacy is chaos,
civil
war,
and the weakening of Iraq making it a tempting invasion target for the
likes of
Iran. So, if they think they are fighting for the good of Iraq, they are
merely
deluding themselves.
Dave


I'm not so sure, it sounded and awful lot like a SAW. Counted nine or ten
shots fired, looks like the first couple severed his spine. The rest,
chest
and head, Great shooting!!

I'd bet you are right about the weapon being used; SAW with standard
intermittent tracer load.

Brooks


T3

snip
Dave


I'm not so sure, it sounded and awful lot like a SAW. Counted nine or ten
shots fired, looks like the first couple severed his spine. The rest,
chest
and head, Great shooting!!

T3
For those of you who are wondering what SAW is (I was), it's Squad Automatic
Weapon.

http://www.ndu.edu/nwc/nwcCLIPART/US...W/army-saw.htm

"Dav1936531" wrote in message
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From: Nuk


I'd say he was planning hit a squad of Marines, or a Humvee or APC or
similar, but they saw him first and he found himself staring down the
barrels of a few US Marines...

Nah, you can see the bullets kick up clouds of dust in the street from
both the
chest and head shots. Whomever got him plainly shot him from a roof top,
i.e.,
it was probably a sniper watching over a patrol....not a patroller.

How many snipers do you know who use tracers? Smart money would instead be
on him being engaged by an overwatching element (when contact is expected,
bounding overwatch being the preferred maneuver scheme).


As I mentioned before, I think the Marine snipers are using bolt actions,
however, I have seen some pics of US Army snipers carrying tricked up M-14
sniper variants. I am thinking this guy was had by an Army sniper because
of
the quick follow-up shot. Consequently, I also doubt this video is from
the
Fallujah action, since it was the Marines laying siege in Fallujah.

Most Army snipers use a Remington bolt action (M-24 IIRC) these days; your
"tricked up" M-14 (actually known as the M-21) has been in the decline (if
it is not completely replaced already) for years now.

Brooks


I'm still trying to figure out why he was in the middle of a street,
no cover, no camo... stupid, stupid, stupid...

It's a "jihad" for Allah. Rationality plays little part.

One wonders just exactly what the insurgents even think they are trying to
accomplish. What will surely result if they gain supremacy is chaos, civil
war,
and the weakening of Iraq making it a tempting invasion target for the
likes of
Iran. So, if they think they are fighting for the good of Iraq, they are
merely
deluding themselves.
Dave

From: "Kevin Brooks"


How many snipers do you know who use tracers? Smart money would instead be on
him being engaged by an overwatching element (when contact is expected,
bounding overwatch being the preferred maneuver scheme).

Yeah, I missed the tracers and watched the clip without sound the first time.
It's a SAW.

Most Army snipers use a Remington bolt action (M-24 IIRC) these days; your
"tricked up" M-14 (actually known as the M-21) has been in the decline (if it
is not completely replaced already) for years now.
Brooks

Which doesn't explain the pics of Army snipers toting the M-14 variants I
mentioned coming across the Associated Press wire feed on Iraq that is
available here on AOL. There was one of a guy covering a field after a convoy
ambush just recently with just such a rifle.
Dave

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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Most Army snipers use a Remington bolt action (M-24 IIRC) these days; your
"tricked up" M-14 (actually known as the M-21) has been in the decline (if
it is not completely replaced already) for years now.

Marksmen (Sniper Light) in Iraq are still carrying M-14s (I can't get used
to
calling them anything else). Lucky guys get that and the M-16 / M-4.

Dav1936531 wrote in message
...


One wonders just exactly what the insurgents even think they are
trying to
accomplish. What will surely result if they gain supremacy is chaos,
civil war,
and the weakening of Iraq making it a tempting invasion target for the
likes of
Iran. So, if they think they are fighting for the good of Iraq, they
are merely
deluding themselves.
Dave



Under Islam there is no way to know if you will make it to Allah's
Brothel, Bar & Grill except by dying in action against the infidel. So
I say we start making a few million of them certain. The detainees in
Gitmo would be a good place to start, they aren't doing much any way.

Why bother searching for the masterminds of one cell or another when we
already have the coordinates for Riyadh and Damascus. Make stopping the
"radical" Islamists the only insurance the Saudis and Assad have of
seeing another sunrise.

It's not racists to deport every illegal alien and it's not racist to
kill anyone infiltrating our borders. Nobody has a right to be in this
country but citizens and invited guests. Let the radicals live in
Europe. Maybe when Europe gets tired of the Dhimmitude they will even
fight back, rather than just arrest the radicals after each car bomb.

We could end this war by the end of the week, if we had the will and the
leadership. As long as we allow the indigenous populations to conclude
it's more dangerous to decline the invitation of the Islamists than
raise a hand against the US, this cancer will spread. We can be far
more deadly than the Islamists ever dreamed of we just won't pull the
trigger and do it. It seems very much like 1930s Europe. We have the
Mien Kampf in the fatwas and the Koran, we have identified the Nazis
named Wahhabi and Salafi, as always we have the Appeasement
Establishment, we even have the French as a thorn in our side.

--
Scott
--------
"If after four years of careful planning, al Qaedists hit the Olympics
in August, the terrorists know better than we do that most Europeans
will do nothing - but quickly point to the U.S. and scream "Iraq!" And
they know that the upscale crowds in Athens are far more likely to boo a
democratic America than they are a fascist Syria or theocratic Iran.
Just watch." Victor Davis Hanson

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:40:04 -0500, "tscottme"
wrote:

Under Islam there is no way to know if you will make it to Allah's
Brothel, Bar & Grill except by dying in action against the infidel.

So it's exactly the same as Protestant Christianity then in that you
can't tell until you're dead?

So
I say we start making a few million of them certain. The detainees in
Gitmo would be a good place to start, they aren't doing much any way.

True - after all why go to the expense of trials or evidence - after
all they must be guilty or they wouldn't be there, despite all those
released as being harmless (although at least one released *was* a bad
guy)

It's not racists to deport every illegal alien and it's not racist to
kill anyone infiltrating our borders.

But who will mow your lawns, bus your tables and so on?

Nobody has a right to be in this
country but citizens and invited guests. Let the radicals live in
Europe. Maybe when Europe gets tired of the Dhimmitude they will even
fight back, rather than just arrest the radicals after each car bomb.

Most of the car bombs in Europe are domestic (PIRA/CIRA/ETA), but
don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

We could end this war by the end of the week, if we had the will and the
leadership. As long as we allow the indigenous populations to conclude
it's more dangerous to decline the invitation of the Islamists than
raise a hand against the US, this cancer will spread. We can be far
more deadly than the Islamists ever dreamed of we just won't pull the
trigger and do it. It seems very much like 1930s Europe. We have the
Mien Kampf in the fatwas and the Koran, we have identified the Nazis
named Wahhabi and Salafi, as always we have the Appeasement
Establishment, we even have the French as a thorn in our side.

So, to be clear, your basic plan is to threaten to destroy cities
considered holy by over 1.3 Billion people, including over 6 million
US citizens (according to the State Department)?

Even if only 1 million of those in the US are capable of starting an
uprising here using their 2nd Amendment legal semi-auto AR-15 rifles,
can you guess the death toll when they snap? Or would you open up
Manzana again and intern them for being of the wrong religion?

Peter Kemp

Nuk wrote in message
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I'm still trying to figure out why he was in the middle of a street,
no cover, no camo... stupid, stupid, stupid...


Have you seen where they live? They sit on more wealth than anyone can
imagine and their civilization makes Africa look prosperous. They
aren't filthy and backward because of a couple of unlucky breaks. They
have worked for centuries to remain backward and filthy and it couldn't
happen to nicer people.



--
Scott
--------
"If after four years of careful planning, al Qaedists hit the Olympics
in August, the terrorists know better than we do that most Europeans
will do nothing - but quickly point to the U.S. and scream "Iraq!" And
they know that the upscale crowds in Athens are far more likely to boo a
democratic America than they are a fascist Syria or theocratic Iran.
Just watch." Victor Davis Hanson