We Are All Spaniards

In article et, "Steven P.
McNicoll" writes:



"Jay Barfs Again" wrote in message
. ..

Well Jay they are a **** of a lot more "Native" to America than your
family will ever be.


How so?


OK, I'm about done with the Poor Mistreated Noble Savage crap.

The Amerindians came to the continental United States some 11,000 years ago,
during the stone age. While Europe and Asia made great progress in the arts and
sciences and set out to explore the world, the Amerindians did...

NOTHING.

They were still in the stone age when we got here. Sitting on the richest two
continents on the planet, they didn't make 100 years of progress in 10,000
years. In the Continental US, there were never more than 2 million hunter
gatherers living in an almost constant state of warfare and starvation. They
had their chance and did nothing worthwhile with it. If we had never come here,
they'd still be bashing each other witth stone axes instead of running casinos.

Our people came here and in 400 years built a nation that feeds the world and
touched the moon. We earned this place. It is ours. They fell by the wayside
because their culture stifled progress and inovation. They were doomed the
moment people with ambition and a culture that rewarded progress set foot on
the continent.

Cultures are subject to natural selection just like species.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

In article , Jay Barfs Again
wrote:

If they can't claim to be the true "Native American" then prey tell us
all just what can they claim to be.

And what do I do? How pure must the bloodline be? I'm part native
american and part who knows.

--
Bob Noel

They want back the territory lost in the '67 war.

So it's not a reversal of conquest they seek.


That sounds to me like the definition of reversal of conquest.

As for


It wasn't stolen, they abandoned it [...] in 1948 at the behest of their fellow

Arabs in Jordan, Syria, etc. They were to leave while the Arab states
forced the Jews off their lands [...] But the Arabs lost the war, and those
that had abandoned their land within the new state of Israel were now
homeless. The Arabs that didn't abandon their land are now citizens of
Israel.


Arabs fought the Jews and lost. It may be a tactical error, it may be
trickery,
it may be lack of firepower, it may be lots of things. But they were there,
there was a war, they lost, they want it back.

Whether WE see it that way is one thing, but THEY see it that way.
So, how should I decide who's way of seeing it is "correct"?

Jose


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(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

But I would be hard pressed to look any Indian from Norther America in
the eye and deny that their roots go back a hell of a lot longer than
you or I could ever lay claim too.

I don't think I can say it any better than Mr. Tabor has -- see his post, up
a few in this thread.

The American Indians had their chance. They blew it -- same as my French
ancestors blew it, and my German ancestors blew it, and my Irish ancestors
blew it.

It's hard, but the truth sometimes is...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

But I would be hard pressed to look any Indian from Norther America in
the eye and deny that their roots go back a hell of a lot longer than
you or I could ever lay claim too.

One other thing....

By your somewhat frayed logic, I should be able to fly over to Baden, back
in Germany, look 'em squarely in the eye, and demand my friggin' land back.
After all, my roots go back a helluva lot farther than any of THEM can
likely claim.

Wish me luck!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:50:47 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

The American Indians had their chance. They blew it -- same as my French
ancestors blew it, and my German ancestors blew it, and my Irish ancestors
blew it.

Well, actually, it took from 1171 to 1949, but the Irish struggle is a
counter-example.

Don

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...

That sounds to me like the definition of reversal of conquest.


The Palestinians didn't lose any land in the '67 war.



Arabs fought the Jews and lost. It may be a tactical error, it may be
trickery,
it may be lack of firepower, it may be lots of things. But they were
there,
there was a war, they lost, they want it back.

Whether WE see it that way is one thing, but THEY see it that way.
So, how should I decide who's way of seeing it is "correct"?


Yup, they fought over land and lost. Had they won they would have pushed
the Jews off their land. Instead, the Jews won and the Arabs that remained
on their land in the new state of Israel still have it.

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...

Whether WE see it that way is one thing, but THEY see it that way.
So, how should I decide who's way of seeing it is "correct"?


Some people cannot distinguish between an open mind and an empty head.

Some people cannot distinguish between an open mind and an empty head.

The distinction is not as coarse as you make it out to be.

Jose

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"Wdtabor" wrote:
Cultures are subject to natural selection just like species.

Hey, lookee ya'll: it's a gen - u - wine social Darwinist.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
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