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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:59:41 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
What about the last twenty years worth of C-172's, C-182's and PA- 28's? Plumbing problems are really very small in the greater scheme of things. If all that was available was straight ethanol or methanol, plumbing would become available. Right. All this whining about the problems with alternative fuels is nothing but hand-wringing. We will *have* to change to alternative fuels, or perish. |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
Dan Luke wrote in
news On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:59:41 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: What about the last twenty years worth of C-172's, C-182's and PA- 28's? Plumbing problems are really very small in the greater scheme of things. If all that was available was straight ethanol or methanol, plumbing would become available. Right. All this whining about the problems with alternative fuels is nothing but hand-wringing. We will *have* to change to alternative fuels, or perish. Well you might perish! I'll just walk. Bertie |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
Dan Luke wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:59:41 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: What about the last twenty years worth of C-172's, C-182's and PA- 28's? Plumbing problems are really very small in the greater scheme of things. If all that was available was straight ethanol or methanol, plumbing would become available. Right. All this whining about the problems with alternative fuels is nothing but hand-wringing. Right. Let's not bother to look at any of the details, let's just pull something out of our ass and implement it. If it turns out to be unworkable for reasons of economics or engineering or both, we'll just keep pulling things out of our ass until we luck out and get something that works. Great plan. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
On 2008-04-10, wrote:
Right. Let's not bother to look at any of the details, let's just pull something out of our ass and implement it. If it turns out to be unworkable for reasons of economics or engineering or both, we'll just keep pulling things out of our ass until we luck out and get something that works. Like Minnesota's plan to mandate 20% ethanol in all gasoline sold for road use by 2010. Nobody has yet told me who'll pay the bills when my car's fuel system melts into a puddle of goo that Toyota won't cover because the ethanol percentage is too high... -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
Jay Maynard wrote in
: On 2008-04-10, wrote: Right. Let's not bother to look at any of the details, let's just pull something out of our ass and implement it. If it turns out to be unworkable for reasons of economics or engineering or both, we'll just keep pulling things out of our ass until we luck out and get something that works. Like Minnesota's plan to mandate 20% ethanol in all gasoline sold for road use by 2010. Nobody has yet told me who'll pay the bills when my car's fuel system melts into a puddle of goo that Toyota won't cover because the ethanol percentage is too high... Don't you have one of those electron powerd motorcycles anyway? Bertie |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
Dan Luke wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:55:03 GMT, wrote: All this whining about the problems with alternative fuels is nothing but hand-wringing. Right. Let's not bother to look at any of the details, let's just pull something out of our ass and implement it. Who said it would be easy, Jim? There will be problems, f-ups and failures. Only if sound, established engineering and economic practices are ignored, in which case you get boondogles like the current ethanol fiasco. But what's the alternative? SNAFU? We could follow the example of Brazil, which contrary to popular perception did not put a major empapthis on ethanol (it's a minor source), rather they greatly increased domestic petroleum production. Ever heard of Alaska? There is increased exploration, improved recovery technology, shale and tar sands recovery technology and synthesis from coal for starters. None of those require massive changes in infrastructure or the invention of unobtainium to succeed, just grunt research and engineering. While that's going on, you continue to do research into photovoltaics and reactors so eventually, with some luck, electricity becomes so cheap to produce that synthesizing hydrocarbons from random garbage becomes economically viable. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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The ethanol nightmare has arrived!
Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-04-10, wrote: Right. Let's not bother to look at any of the details, let's just pull something out of our ass and implement it. If it turns out to be unworkable for reasons of economics or engineering or both, we'll just keep pulling things out of our ass until we luck out and get something that works. Like Minnesota's plan to mandate 20% ethanol in all gasoline sold for road use by 2010. Nobody has yet told me who'll pay the bills when my car's fuel system melts into a puddle of goo that Toyota won't cover because the ethanol percentage is too high... And a box of corn flakes costs $30. Just be glad that tortillas aren't a major part of your diet. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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