Merry Christmas to Everyone

You have to be pretty anal to get upset about anyones expression of
religion.

Here is Kelowna we had complaints from a group of athiests this year
about the nativity scene downtown.

What I didn't understand is that if they are athiests they would surely
see the nativity scene as just a bunch of dolls - so what's to be
offended about?

I was raised in a Protestant/Catholic family in Britain and have lived
in many countries with different religions including Buddhist, Jewish,
Hindu, Jain, Sikh and Moslem. Frankly I couldn't care less who or what
anyone worships - it certainly doesn't offend me.

Tony

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"C J Campbell" wrote:

"Dude" wrote in message
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Meryy Christmas And God Bless You too!

This group is so non PC, I love it.

BTW, be careful about saying "Happy Holidays" anymore. There are now
reactionaries out there that think you are trying to secularize Christmas
if
you say that.

Let people wish others well in their own way, and I will wish them well in
mine.

tony roberts wrote:

You have to be pretty anal to get upset about anyones expression of
religion.

Here is Kelowna we had complaints from a group of athiests this year
about the nativity scene downtown.

What I didn't understand is that if they are athiests they would surely
see the nativity scene as just a bunch of dolls - so what's to be
offended about?

I was raised in a Protestant/Catholic family in Britain and have lived
in many countries with different religions including Buddhist, Jewish,
Hindu, Jain, Sikh and Moslem. Frankly I couldn't care less who or what
anyone worships - it certainly doesn't offend me.

I agree. I don't think the issue with atheists is being offended by a
religious expression, they are just jealous because others are happy and
they are miserable. :-)


Matt

"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
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The Politically
Correct crowd in this country won't allow you to say Merry Christmas
without mentioning the phoney made-up "African" holiday that is Kwanza.

heavy sigh Near as I can tell, I wished people a Merry Christmas. None of
the supposedly PC liberals mentioned Kwanza. You did.

wrote in message
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However, when all the Airedale worshippers on the town council decide
to put a replica of the Holy Airedale on the town green, they've
crossed the line, as far as I'm concerned. I have a feeling a good
number of christians would feel the same, and insist the Holy Airedale
be removed.

Ah yes. The old "I am intolerant because I think they might be as intolerant
as I am" argument.

I wouldn't call it a "tirade" at all, you did. I said that it was my
..02 and it was. As usual with things on the left, the Political
coorectness in this country has gone way over the edge.

My horizons are broad. I don't believe in the "African-American"
bull****. 99% of black folks have never set foot in Africa and have long
been remove from relatives that are from Africa. Sorry to bust your
bubble but they are just plain old Americans just like me. Again just my
..02.

Merry Chrismas

Jon Kraus (an American not a German-American)
PP-ASEL
Student Mooney Owner

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
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Just seems odd to me that Kwanza is piped up to be this big African
celebration


By whom? I never heard anyone call it an "African celebration".


and "real" Africans have never heard of it.


It's not an African tradition. It's an African-American construct,
celebrated by a minority of African-Americans, and a few other people.
There's no reason to expect Africans to have heard of it, nor is it telling
or unusual in any way that Africans have not.

The holiday does borrow a lot from African culture, but that doesn't make it
African.


The Politically Correct crowd in this country won't allow you to say Merry
Christmas without mentioning the phoney made-up "African" holiday that is
Kwanza.


Ahh, I see. You're just trying to co-opt Kwanza in your goal to write an
anti-PC tirade.

Still, I don't see why you have to be so hostile toward Kwanza. It's no
more "phoney" or "made-up" than any other holiday we celebrate. It's just a
lot newer. It's never been advertised as an "African" holiday. It's
African-American, which is an entire culture unto itself. You should at
least broaden your horizons enough to understand the difference between
"African-American" and "African". They aren't the same thing.

Pete

I wouldn't call it a "tirade" at all, you did. I said that it was my
..02 and it was. As usual with things on the left, the Political
Coorectness in this country has gone way over the edge.

My horizons are broad. I don't believe in the "African-American"
bull****. 99% of black folks have never set foot in Africa and have long
been remove from relatives that are from Africa. Sorry to bust your
bubble but they are just plain old Americans just like me. Again just my
..02.

Merry Chrismas

Jon Kraus (an American not a German-American)
PP-ASEL
Student Mooney Owner

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
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Just seems odd to me that Kwanza is piped up to be this big African
celebration


By whom? I never heard anyone call it an "African celebration".


and "real" Africans have never heard of it.


It's not an African tradition. It's an African-American construct,
celebrated by a minority of African-Americans, and a few other people.
There's no reason to expect Africans to have heard of it, nor is it telling
or unusual in any way that Africans have not.

The holiday does borrow a lot from African culture, but that doesn't make it
African.


The Politically Correct crowd in this country won't allow you to say Merry
Christmas without mentioning the phoney made-up "African" holiday that is
Kwanza.


Ahh, I see. You're just trying to co-opt Kwanza in your goal to write an
anti-PC tirade.

Still, I don't see why you have to be so hostile toward Kwanza. It's no
more "phoney" or "made-up" than any other holiday we celebrate. It's just a
lot newer. It's never been advertised as an "African" holiday. It's
African-American, which is an entire culture unto itself. You should at
least broaden your horizons enough to understand the difference between
"African-American" and "African". They aren't the same thing.

Pete

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:35:58 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .

However, when all the Airedale worshippers on the town council decide
to put a replica of the Holy Airedale on the town green, they've
crossed the line, as far as I'm concerned. I have a feeling a good
number of christians would feel the same, and insist the Holy Airedale
be removed.

Ah yes. The old "I am intolerant because I think they might be as intolerant
as I am" argument.



It's not a question of "tolerance" or "intolerance".

It's a matter of governent's expressed preferance for a particular
religion, and the Ayatollahs that are bound to eventually emerge when
it does, whether Airedale Ayatollahs, Muslim Ayatollahs, or Christian
Ayatollahs, it don't much matter. They all have the same agenda.

But since you mention it, you make a good point. Christians have
indeed exhibited a level of intolerance over the centuries that many
other religions find hard to match.

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:14:45 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote:

I agree. I don't think the issue with atheists is being offended by a
religious expression, they are just jealous because others are happy and
they are miserable. :-)


Matt


And this expression of christian good will reprresents a feeling
of...????

"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
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I wouldn't call it a "tirade" at all, you did.

Uh, Jon, no one characterizes their own words as a tirade. But Pete's
characterization is accurate. You disparaged Kwanza as "made-up" (as though
any holiday could be other than made-up) and "phony" (because it's not a
native African celebration--even though its celebrants never claimed it
was!).

I don't believe in the "African-American"
bull****. 99% of black folks have never set foot in Africa and have long
been remove from relatives that are from Africa.

The term "African American" refers to black Americans of African ancestry.
It does not mean "people who have visited Africa, or who speak to their
relatives in Africa", contrary to your peculiar objection.

As with the holiday Kwanza, you take the term "African American" and
misrepresent its meaning in order to make it seem illegitimate. What
motivates you to do so?

Jon Kraus (an American not a German-American)

For many Xs, there are some Americans who prefer to call themselves X
Americans, some who prefer to call themselves Americans, and some who prefer
neither. Why is that difference so hard for you to understand or respect?
Why is it "bull****" for someone's preference to differ from yours in that
regard? Why do you feel the need to insult people for making a different
choice than you as to whether to put their ancestry on a par with their
nationality in their self-description?

--Gary

You have to be a Druid.

Blanche wrote:
What about the winter equinox earlier this week?