It was really close...

"Denny" wrote in message
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In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up
because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews. and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a
trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a
Protestant.

Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.


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Now they are willing to kill people who get lost and cross invisible
lines in the sky so that the powerful and the politically connected can
feel safe... Will they next start shooting our children because they
ride their bikes across an invisible line on the ground?

Gee Denny, hindsight is sure 20/20.


The Patriot Act, is not...

Nice leap there.

Tom Fleischman wrote:

It really is unbelievable that they didn't realize where they were and
what was going on around them for such a long period of time.

Agreed. Jay quotes "Lt. Col. Tim Lehmann .... said he realized how serious
the situation became when he looked at the Cessna and saw the Washington
Monument in the background."

I flew over D.C. once, back when they still called the airspace a TCA and its
top was something like 7,500'. Based on that, I'd say that the Cessna pilot
would have to be blind not to have a good idea where they were. There are *many*
distinctive landmarks in the vicinity of the Washington Monument.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
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Very well said,
Sometimes we only see the part of history we chose to see. Lincoln had
the entire Maryland State Legislature arrested and never charged with a
crime....just to keep them from voting for or against secession. Numerous
newspaper owner/editors were arrested because they expressed the thought
that the Constitution allowed for secession..as a few northestern states
had
threathened many a time. I didn't agree with Lincoln throwing the
Constitution out of the window then, and I don't agree with doing it now
either.
Lincoln started a very bad trend of the Federal Government having all
of
the power,...and to this day we are at the mercy of the Federal
Government.
I'm pretty sure the founding fathers have been disgusted at us since 1861
..

Actually not. Some of the founding fathers, such as Jefferson, wanted a
very limited federal government and others wanted a federal government even
larger and more intrusive than what we have now. Don't forget also some of
the founding fathers wanted a monarchy. The end result was a compromise but
the Jeffersonian minimalist have over the centuries been losing ground to
the bigger is better types.

"Tom Fleischman" k wrote in

It really is unbelievable that they didn't realize where they were and
what was going on around them for such a long period of time.

Seriously. I gotta know what was happening in the airplane.

"Um...this doesn't look like North Carolina. Steer for that big building
that looks like the capitol, across the river from the giant cemetery. What
do you suppose that thing that looks like the Washington Monument is? Oh,
look, that building looks just like the White House...
and that shopping mall looks JUST LIKE THE PENTAGON!"

....Oooooh. We must be getting close to the airshow. Look at all the F-16s!
Oh, whoops. Looks like they accidentally dropped some flares. Twice..."

--c

"Denny" wrote in message

Now they are willing to kill people who get lost and cross invisible
lines in the sky so that the powerful and the politically connected can
feel safe...

So...refresh my memory. How many people were killed in this incident?

-c

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message

We have restricted areas over our seat of government for very clear and
well-defined reasons,

And what would those be?

Well, you see, a long time ago, on September 11, 2001, some nice people
thought it might be fun to fly an airplane into the Pentagon.

I wonder if there's a correlation between tightened security around
Washington DC and the airplane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Hmmm....might need to think about that for awhile.
-c

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Jose wrote:
We have restricted areas over our seat of government for very clear
and
well-defined reasons, and every certificated pilot knows it.

No, these reasons are neither good, nor clear, nor well defined.


1. There are terrorist groups that wish to carry out attacks in the
domestic US.

That deserves a DUH.

2. Government buildings in DC are likely to be preferred targets of
such attacks.

Oh I see, the terrorist would fly up to the restricted area and turn around
because the sectional says you can't go there. Those are some darn well
behaved terrorist in my book.

3. Light aircraft are a possible means of delivering a weapon of some
kind.

A baby buggy is just as good a tool.

"Jay Masino" wrote in message news:4284c3ad$0

So? There are terrorist groups all over the world wishing to carry out
attacks on all sorts of people/governments.

Do you lock your doors at night?

Why?

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message

2. Government buildings in DC are likely to be preferred targets of
such attacks.

It happened once. Once.

More than once. http://www-tech.mit.edu/V114/N40/crash.40w.html

Remember the Cessna that crashed into the White House lawn in 1994. He
missed the WH.
The guy carrying the nuclear football was in the White House at the time.

-c

"Alan" wrote in message

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus among other things.

To be fair, he had constitutional justification...time of rebellion or
insurrection et al.

Even the human body's immune system over reacts when
faced with invaders.

Interesting analogy.

-c