When was the last time you used your ADF?

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:52:49 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...

I once made an NDB approach in IMC to a field whose ILS approach was
pointing downwind at the time. Usually, though, my use of the ADF is for
an ILS's LOM.


What field?

At one time, maybe they still do, TVC (Traverse City) had an NDB
approach off what was also the LOM on the ILS. Of course it was
pointed in the same direction as the ILS, but you could do a circle to
land off it. OTOH they also had a VOR that would have been a lot
easier and made more sense, at least to me.

Actually I remember that one as the DE had me fly that NDB for a
circle to land on my check ride and it was down wind against opposing
traffic. We must have looked kinda strange coming down the approach
to those airliners getting ready to depart.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Use it at SLN (Salina,Kansas). FLORY (344) is the OM.
I like to use the ADF. It helps complement the GPS and VOR systems.
It is a fun to tune into a A.M. radio station and have the needle point
to the town where the signal originates. Fastenates the passengers.
Besides, how else can you keep up with the latest news, sports, talk
shows, or country music.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...

I once made an NDB approach in IMC to a field whose ILS approach was
pointing downwind at the time. Usually, though, my use of the ADF is for
an ILS's LOM.


What field?

Fastenates? Does that mean the ADF straps them into their
seats. It is fascination.
"Clay" wrote in message
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| Use it at SLN (Salina,Kansas). FLORY (344) is the OM.
| I like to use the ADF. It helps complement the GPS and
VOR systems.
| It is a fun to tune into a A.M. radio station and have the
needle point
| to the town where the signal originates. Fastenates the
passengers.
| Besides, how else can you keep up with the latest news,
sports, talk
| shows, or country music.
|
| Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
| "Gary Drescher" wrote in
message
| ...
|
| I once made an NDB approach in IMC to a field whose
ILS approach was
| pointing downwind at the time. Usually, though, my use
of the ADF is for
| an ILS's LOM.
|
|
| What field?
|

On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 02:59:12 -0400, Roger
wrote:

At one time, maybe they still do, TVC (Traverse City) had an NDB
approach off what was also the LOM on the ILS. Of course it was
pointed in the same direction as the ILS, but you could do a circle to
land off it.

Until recently (it was still there in 2005) Fort Collins-Loveland
(FNL) had NDB 33 and ILS 33 approaches. The circling minimum for the
ILS33 was 484 ft. agl, and for NDB33 504 ft. agl.

I don't know when the NDB33 approach got decommisioned, the COLLN
NDB/LOM transmitter is still there.

However, Greeley-Weld Count (GXY) has a fairly new NDB 34 approach,
based on the BUFFS NDB/LOM for the ILS34 approach. Again, the
circling minimums for the ILS approach are lower than those for the
NDB.

I assumed colocated ILS and NDB approaches were not uncommon.

Tim.

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:47:23 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote:

In article ,
Roger wrote:

No more of this descending in the NDB hold on partial panel with a
strong cross wind. Now that's an exercise with timed turns to a
heading, timed descents to an altitude, or combining the two to make a
timed 180 degree turn to a specific heading and altitude and you are
expected to reach the heading and altitude at the same time.

GPS just takes all the fun out of those exercises:-))

Finally, a good reason to get a GPS.

All I can say, particularly after having spent about two hours on the
above and similar exercises... AMEN!

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On 8 Jun 2006 07:37:07 -0700, "Denny" wrote:


Rog,
I actually used the ADF in Fat Albert flying IFR a week ago... A line
of nasty stuff was blowing off Lake Erie right at Port Clinton and the
area was IMC... I wanted to air file direct from Toledo, Oh to Akron,
Oh and the Akron VOR reception was unreliable (temperature inversion)
at that time... I was filed as /A... The enroute controller inquired
if I had enroute IFR GPS... I replied negative, but I did have an
ADF... Bang, I was cleared "TOL (vor) direct AK (ndb)"... So, score
one for the old technology... That said the moving map GPS rode shotgun
for the ADF receiver until we were back to VMC..
The biggest problem with ADF reception anymore is the lousy programming
available on the AM stations...

Instead of taking those long, diagonal airways across Lake Michigan I
typically file 3BS -D LDM (NDB) -D MTW(VOR) -D OSH
That takes me across the narrowest portion (~50 miles) of the lake and
from 10,000 I'm within gliding distance (Plus a comfortable margin) of
a shoreline all the way.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


denny

In article ,
Roger wrote:

On 8 Jun 2006 07:37:07 -0700, "Denny" wrote:


Rog,
I actually used the ADF in Fat Albert flying IFR a week ago... A line
of nasty stuff was blowing off Lake Erie right at Port Clinton and the
area was IMC... I wanted to air file direct from Toledo, Oh to Akron,
Oh and the Akron VOR reception was unreliable (temperature inversion)
at that time... I was filed as /A... The enroute controller inquired
if I had enroute IFR GPS... I replied negative, but I did have an
ADF... Bang, I was cleared "TOL (vor) direct AK (ndb)"... So, score
one for the old technology... That said the moving map GPS rode shotgun
for the ADF receiver until we were back to VMC..
The biggest problem with ADF reception anymore is the lousy programming
available on the AM stations...

Instead of taking those long, diagonal airways across Lake Michigan I
typically file 3BS -D LDM (NDB) -D MTW(VOR) -D OSH
That takes me across the narrowest portion (~50 miles) of the lake and
from 10,000 I'm within gliding distance (Plus a comfortable margin) of
a shoreline all the way.

Interresting... 25 years ago when I did my instrument training, my
instructor told me Michigan was the only place he knew of in the lower
US where one could file and fly an IFR flight plan completely by NDB's.

On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:20:59 GMT, john smith wrote:

In article ,
Roger wrote:

On 8 Jun 2006 07:37:07 -0700, "Denny" wrote:


Rog,
I actually used the ADF in Fat Albert flying IFR a week ago... A line
of nasty stuff was blowing off Lake Erie right at Port Clinton and the
area was IMC... I wanted to air file direct from Toledo, Oh to Akron,
Oh and the Akron VOR reception was unreliable (temperature inversion)
at that time... I was filed as /A... The enroute controller inquired
if I had enroute IFR GPS... I replied negative, but I did have an
ADF... Bang, I was cleared "TOL (vor) direct AK (ndb)"... So, score
one for the old technology... That said the moving map GPS rode shotgun
for the ADF receiver until we were back to VMC..
The biggest problem with ADF reception anymore is the lousy programming
available on the AM stations...

Instead of taking those long, diagonal airways across Lake Michigan I
typically file 3BS -D LDM (NDB) -D MTW(VOR) -D OSH
That takes me across the narrowest portion (~50 miles) of the lake and
from 10,000 I'm within gliding distance (Plus a comfortable margin) of
a shoreline all the way.

Interresting... 25 years ago when I did my instrument training, my
instructor told me Michigan was the only place he knew of in the lower
US where one could file and fly an IFR flight plan completely by NDB's.


I can believe it. There are, or were a lot of NDBs and LOMs in the
state. Let's see, I don't know if they are all there yet, and I'm
sure I missed some, but Gladwin, Saginaw (MBS), Saginaw Brown, Alma,
and West Branch within 30 miles. In the Lower Peninsula it's pretty
difficult to be out of range for at least one NDB or LOM.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote in message
...

At one time, maybe they still do, TVC (Traverse City) had an NDB
approach off what was also the LOM on the ILS.


At one time, nearly every airport with an ILS had an NDB approach off what
was also the LOM on the ILS.



Of course it was
pointed in the same direction as the ILS, but you could do a circle to
land off it. OTOH they also had a VOR that would have been a lot
easier and made more sense, at least to me.


You could do a circle to land off of the ILS as well.

A couple of years ago the FAA commissioned a new ILS to KGYI (Grayson
County Airport in TX). It included an ADF. There were two more ILS
approaches in the area that did not have ADF requirements and they were
added. For the life of me I do not understand why. for KGYI there were
several ways to locate the FAF.

Ross
KSWI

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Its recently been added as a resquirement for the ILS 02 for KSAC. For
decades we've been flying that approach w/o ADF, apparently the FAA has
recently decided that ADFs are important.

-Robert


wrote:

Hello all,

I'm just curious as to when the last time was that you used your ADF
for actual navigation? Are NDBs common in the US? It seems as though
every little airport has an ILS!

-dr