Gas Prices -- Help at last?

In article .com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

a. In one corner we've got folks saying that the big, bad Oil Companies
are making obscene, HUGE profits at current prices.

b. In the other corner, we've got guys like you saying that the price
is too low, and shouldn't be so cheap.

If supply and demand is in action here, (a) and (b) can't co-exist.

Think taxes. There are people (waaaay too many) that think gas
should be taxed so that it costs a "more reasonable" price at the
pump (i.e., the insane prices in other countries).

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message ...

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:EcP1f.410391$_o.119605@attbi_s71...
The oil companies havent gone into bankruptcy in droves over 20 odd years, if anything they have made money hand
over fist. They have not increased their refining capacity because it would decrease their overall PROFIT margin.
Building new refining capacity to "standard" would drive their incremental cost of production UP, and eat into the
stockholders dividends. But make no mistake, it would still be PROFIT.

You say that like it's somehow wrong. That, my friend, is the Capitalist system.

And that's evidently what he despises!

WHINE !! BITCH!! MOAN!! NOT IN MY BACK YARD!! I want gas! I want cheap gas!! I want this I want that!

Grow the xxxx up, America!!


Not exactly - everyone needs to get used to $6.00 a gallon gas, then the alternative energy possibilities will be cost
competitive. Providing subsidies or tax incentives or old military bases to the oil companies simply puts off the free
market solution. I say let the oil companies run their business like everyone else. All businesses have to put up with
regulations as a part of their doing business.

Every business in the USA is trying for the nirvana 100% capacity utilization. The problem with this in a core utility
business like the oil companies is when a portion of the production capacity is lost then demand will exceed supply.
Maybe the gob's should regulate big oil like the way the utility companies are regulated. Lets see how that flies

Not exactly - everyone needs to get used to $6.00 a gallon gas, then the alternative energy possibilities will be cost
competitive. Providing subsidies or tax incentives or old military bases to the oil companies simply puts off the free
market solution.

There is no "free market" here with regard to the construction of
refineries.

In fact, the removal of onerous legislative barriers -- which is what
this bill attempts (and fails, BTW) to do -- will once again allow the
free market to prevail.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 8 Oct 2005 12:05:16 -0700, Jay Honeck wrote:

Bottled water in America is a very effective I.Q. test.

ah. I see. Mr. knoweverythingbetter. What about a x-country and a wife
wearing&needing lenses?

Your with chlorine (sp?) cleaned water is %$&§$%!!!

#m
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Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:38:46 -0400, Bob Noel wrote:

Think taxes. There are people (waaaay too many) that think gas
should be taxed so that it costs a "more reasonable" price at the
pump (i.e., the insane prices in other countries).


hmm. what is insane about it? so you are in need to be conservative about
spending gas (or have a good income) and you are more likely willed to
search for alternatives.

#m

--
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:38:39 GMT, .Blueskies. wrote:

Not exactly - everyone needs to get used to $6.00 a gallon gas, then the alternative energy possibilities will be cost
competitive.

now you are talking like a socialist European ... what a shame ...

:-)

#m

--
Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html

Bottled water in America is a very effective I.Q. test.

ah. I see. Mr. knoweverythingbetter. What about a x-country and a wife
wearing&needing lenses?

Oops. Sorry. I thought we were talking about "bottled water" in the
abstract, versus the price of gasoline.

I didn't realize that you, Martin, of all people, would be suckered,
er, I mean, "influenced" into paying more for a bottle of *water* than
for a gallon of milk!

:-)

BTW: Contact lens wearers (which I presume is what you are referring
to) should use sterile saline solution in their eyes -- not Evian!
That crap is FULL of stuff you wouldn't want to put in your eyes.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Think taxes. There are people (waaaay too many) that think gas
should be taxed so that it costs a "more reasonable" price at the
pump (i.e., the insane prices in other countries).

hmm. what is insane about it? so you are in need to be conservative about
spending gas (or have a good income) and you are more likely willed to
search for alternatives.

Okay -- let's follow that train for a moment.

Europe has been subjected to insane fuel prices (thanks to
over-taxation) for a generation.

Other than governments grown fat and wasteful, what good has come of
it? Where are all the "alternative fuels" that you
environmentally-aware Europeans have "discovered" simply because you
artificially (and, apparently, proudly) paid a fortune for oil-based
fuels?

The answer is: There aren't any. The closest you've come is diesel,
and THAT is an alternative fuel ONLY because your governments haven't
taxed it as much.

Which either means (a) your theory doesn't hold water, or (b) Europeans
simply don't have the scientific and industrial wherewithal to develop
alternative fuels, whatever the cost.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message ups.com...
Not exactly - everyone needs to get used to $6.00 a gallon gas, then the alternative energy possibilities will be
cost
competitive. Providing subsidies or tax incentives or old military bases to the oil companies simply puts off the
free
market solution.

There is no "free market" here with regard to the construction of
refineries.

In fact, the removal of onerous legislative barriers -- which is what
this bill attempts (and fails, BTW) to do -- will once again allow the
free market to prevail.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


I read that the proposal was the gov't was going to basically give away some old "military bases" to build refineries
on, if that is not a subsidy then nothing is. If you look at the true cost of an oil based economy; maintenance of
roads, keeping air breathable, water drinkable, soil growable, then the rules and regs that the oil companies currently
operate under are more than lenient enough. If you want to go back the old black skies Pittsburg steel mill balls to the
wall screw the environment way of doing business, then you might as well go to China. I personally want the USA to stay
nice for my kids. 'Free Market' business needs to be held accountable. I imagine you keep the sheets clean at the
Alexis, no? Well unfortunately someone needs to make sure the sheets stay clean down at the old refinery also....

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:38:39 GMT, .Blueskies. wrote:

Not exactly - everyone needs to get used to $6.00 a gallon gas, then the alternative energy possibilities will be cost
competitive.

now you are talking like a socialist European ... what a shame ...

:-)

#m

--
Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html

No socialism here, just want to make sure the true costs are accounted for. Maybe the costs of roads should be captured
in the cost of a new car?