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"John R Weiss" wrote in message news:3%0Pb.88422$5V2.144302@attbi_s53... When the tailwind significantly changes the ETE, on what basis would a pilot be able to predict what ATC might "expect"? None. I agree with a previous poster that IF the pilot has already been talking with Approach and has received a vector toward an IAF or ILS intercept, it is reasonable to expect to commence approach on arrival. However, what if comm is lost on a center freq, in IMC and relatively near the destination? What is a "reasonable" time to be holding over the IAF, from the ATC perspective? None. |
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"Richard Hertz" wrote in message et... That is why lost comms procedures are well-defined. Everyone should be in agreement about what to do. But they're not well-defined, and if everyone was in agreement about what to do we wouldn't have this same discussion periodically. |
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In article .net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: "Richard Hertz" wrote in message et... That is why lost comms procedures are well-defined. Everyone should be in agreement about what to do. But they're not well-defined, and if everyone was in agreement about what to do we wouldn't have this same discussion periodically. Actually, I think they are pretty well defined. The problem is that most people here agree that the way they're defined is stupid (or, at least, outdated). |
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"Roy Smith" wrote in message ... Actually, I think they are pretty well defined. How so? In most cases the clearance limit is the destination airport, how do you comply with FAR 91.185(c)(3)? |
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Roy Smith wrote in message ...
In article , (Snowbird) wrote: I had a lost comm once. We lost the ability to transmit (turned out to be a stuck relay in the audio panel) immediately after takeoff. We could hear ATC, but they could not hear us Interesting -- any details about what model of audio panel? Did it block both hand mic and headsets? I don't remember what model. We tried both headsets and the hand mike. I'm not 100% sure it was in the audio panel per-se. Might have been in the intercomm box, but it was definately a problem with a relay, and definately in the "audio stuff". Bummer. I've been thinking about the failure possibilities in our audio panel etc. I rather would like mic jacks directly wired into our #1 comm but our avionics guy seems a bit reluctant for some reason I'm still trying to draw out of him. Cheers, Sydney |
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"Richard Hertz" wrote in message . net...
snippola That is why lost comms procedures are well-defined. Everyone should be in agreement about what to do. Um...why do you think lost comms procedures are well-defined? Sydney |
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This is why I carry a handheld, with rechargeable batteries in it, and
spare batteries if those aren't charged, with its own outside antennae. I can plug my headset directly into the handheld and talk/listen through my headset. So my chances of going totally lost comm are pretty small. Also, in the even of lost comm, I am heading for nearest VMC, and I know where that is due to getting the weather. I always try and have enough fuel to make it to VMC. Lost comm has never happened, but in the west there is seldom massive areas of cloud cover, you can usually find VFR weather not too far away, IF you know where it is. "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message hlink.net... "Richard Hertz" wrote in message et... That is why lost comms procedures are well-defined. Everyone should be in agreement about what to do. But they're not well-defined, and if everyone was in agreement about what to do we wouldn't have this same discussion periodically. |
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"Doug" wrote in message om... Also, in the even of lost comm, I am heading for nearest VMC, and I know where that is due to getting the weather. I always try and have enough fuel to make it to VMC. Lost comm has never happened, but in the west there is seldom massive areas of cloud cover, you can usually find VFR weather not too far away, IF you know where it is. In other words, you'd take the position that lost comms in IMC is an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action and use the emergency authority of FAR 91.3(b). |
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In article , Roy Smith
writes: But they're not well-defined, and if everyone was in agreement about what to do we wouldn't have this same discussion periodically. Actually, I think they are pretty well defined. The problem is that most people here agree that the way they're defined is stupid (or, at least, outdated). It bothers me that the 7600 code continues to "ring" at Control so they want me to switch back to the original code after some period of time. What period? How do I know that Control has got the message? Don't I have enough to do if in IMC and lost comm? Why doesn't Control have the onus (other than 'Put a bandaide over the button') to stop the ring. They are in a nice airconditioned area separate from the problem at hand. Kind a like the pig/chicken joke of han and eggs, I'm dedicated while with them it's a passing fancy. If a lost com ever happens to me, I hope I remember to set 7600, and if I do, I plan to change it back on a taxiway somewhere. Chuck |
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