Fed: Planes flying in "commercial" airspace must get GPS

VOR-DME writes:

I can accept your judgment, but to think they have not dealt with scenarios as
obvious as GPS blackouts in developing the new system, as MXIDIOT suggests, is
patently ridiculous.

I wish that were true. But people have a tendency to avoid dealing with things
they don't like or don't understand, and organizations run by people have
exactly the same problem.

VOR-DME writes:

The good news, for all involved, is that Microsoft no longer supports MSFS, so
the advantages and difficulties that those of us flying the real system face
will be completely lost on MSFS users like MX, hopelessly lost in a 1980's
world of air traffic regulation.

Serious simmers do not use the built-in ATC of MSFS. And the product is still
supported, although it is no longer under active development. Were it to
disappear, there are alternatives such as X-Plane (not a pretty alternative,
I'll grant).

But none of this has anything to do with ADS-B.

On May 30, 2:42*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
VOR-DME writes:

But none of this has anything to do with ADS-B.

IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR CREDIBILITY of working in the real
world.

Tell us, how much experience you have as PIC by FAA standards. Let me
guess it's zero.

On 5/30/2010 2:29 AM, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

And if you are really serious about the subject, the run of the mill flare
will cause a temporary signal loss, which aviation GPS will detect, and
there is no particular reason to suspect that the current sunspot cycle
will prove to be anything other than run of the mill.

If your GPS becomes unreliable, and you have no other means of navigation,
what do you do? Just knowing that GPS has failed doesn't help you much if you
have no back-up.

There is ALWAYS a backup. Look out the window. You're following your
progress on a sectional and always know exactly where you are and where
the nearest suitable airport is. In IMC ATC with radar can guide you to
VFR conditions and/or a suitable airport. Or take a magnetic compass
bearing from your present position (which you know because you've been
following your progress on the chart) and with your airspeed and a timer
you can go to where it's safe.

As an aside, I remember from my training a LONG time ago that ATC can
use direction finding on your radio signal to give you your general
location. A "DF steer", I think it was called. Is that still available?

Jim

Jim writes:

There is ALWAYS a backup. Look out the window.

In IMC?

In IMC ATC with radar can guide you to VFR conditions and/or
a suitable airport.

What radar? You don't need expensive radar with ADS-B, right?

Or take a magnetic compass
bearing from your present position (which you know because you've been
following your progress on the chart) and with your airspeed and a timer
you can go to where it's safe.

I'd like to see how many pilots could successfully do this.

As an aside, I remember from my training a LONG time ago that ATC can
use direction finding on your radio signal to give you your general
location. A "DF steer", I think it was called. Is that still available?

I've heard of it. I suppose if the FAA is throwing away everything else,
they'll want to throw this away, too.

On May 30, 11:46*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

Or take a magnetic compass
bearing from your present position (which you know because you've been
following your progress on the chart) and with your airspeed and a timer
you can go to where it's safe.

I'd like to see how many pilots could successfully do this.

YOU OBVIOUSLY apparently have no clue about flight training or you
would not say a dumb statement like the above. The above is taught in
flight training. Whether the pilot elects to stay current or not is
pilot discretion.

Apparently YOU don't even simulate it. You probably would have to
restart your kiddy game in MSFS if you had to do the above where at
least in the real world, I would have a chance of survival.

On May 30, 2:41*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

But people have a tendency to avoid dealing with things
they don't like or don't understand,

Did you look in a mirror lately???? You are the leader of the pack.

On May 30, 12:46*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim writes:
There is ALWAYS a backup. *Look out the window.

In IMC?

In IMC ATC with radar can guide you to VFR conditions and/or
a suitable airport.

What radar? *You don't need expensive radar with ADS-B, right?

Or take a magnetic compass
bearing from your present position (which you know because you've been
following your progress on the chart) and with your airspeed and a timer
you can go to where it's safe.

I'd like to see how many pilots could successfully do this.

As an aside, I remember from my training a LONG time ago that ATC can
use direction finding on your radio signal to give you your general
location. *A "DF steer", I think it was called. *Is that still available?

I've heard of it. *I suppose if the FAA is throwing away everything else,
they'll want to throw this away, too.

I wonder how many of my instrument rated GA peers do NOT know, when in
actual, where the nearest good weather is. Note I did not say IMC, nor
VFR, since we know the difference. I can't think of rated pilot I know
who does not know, for example, where his solid gold alternate is, and
if there isn't one, the airplane doesn't leave the ground. Complex
singles have 4 to 6 hours of fuel aboard and speaking for myself if I
can't be plan to be on the ground with half a wing still full of fuel
I'm not going.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim writes:

There is ALWAYS a backup. Look out the window.

In IMC?

In IMC ATC with radar can guide you to VFR conditions and/or
a suitable airport.

What radar? You don't need expensive radar with ADS-B, right?

Wrong.

ADS-B is just a first baby step.

No one is talking about the POSSIBILITY of eliminating radar until the
whole system is in place.

Or take a magnetic compass
bearing from your present position (which you know because you've been
following your progress on the chart) and with your airspeed and a timer
you can go to where it's safe.

I'd like to see how many pilots could successfully do this.

All of them as all of them were trained to do it and that is what the flight
planning form, which you have no clue how to fill out or use, is for.

As an aside, I remember from my training a LONG time ago that ATC can
use direction finding on your radio signal to give you your general
location. A "DF steer", I think it was called. Is that still available?

I've heard of it. I suppose if the FAA is throwing away everything else,
they'll want to throw this away, too.

Your "suppose" is useless in the real world.

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Jim Pennino

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Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

Minimizing the effects of jamming for anything other than a military grade,
high power jammer is a fairly trivial problem but civilians have no interest
as it is in the real civilian world a non problem not worth spending a single
dime.

That's the way people usually feel until someone is killed, then they
overreact.

Irrelevant to the arguement and an attempt to steer the arguement in a
different direction.

Yeah, and anyone can make a big bomb and blow up a building.

The response to both would be the same.

The fact that it can be done doesn't mean that the risk should be disregarded.

Have you ever heard of the FCC?

The remote possibility is not totally disregarded, it is given the attention
it desereves, i.e. very little as it is very unlikely.

Which is but one reason civilian jamming is a non problem.

I'm not sure what you mean by civilians. I suppose terrorists or troublemakers
would not necessarily be active members of any military organization.

Civilians mean people not in the military.

Jamming is a non problem for civilian aircraft not flying in a war zone.

What makes you think that if there were a solar flare large enough to "knock
them all out at once" there would even be a functioning power grid?

They don't have to all be knocked out at once.

So now you think that maybe there will be a series of large solar flares?

Do you understand the difference between temporary signal interference and
"knock them all out"?

You are babbling.


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Jim Pennino

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