GAO Report: GA Security Threat

Rich

Not sure where you got your figures?

I ended up in the early occupation forces in Japan.

When the Emperor said quit they did.

I felt safer in the middle of a Japanesse city at midnight (I was a
Provost Marshal as an additonal duty and we kept a presence 24/7) than
I do at high noon in Wshington, D.C.

Big John

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:00:02 -0800, "Rich S."
wrote:

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...

Yes. The point: If what's happening in Iraq is "winning a war", then
the definitions of "winning" must have changed dramatically since I
last checked.

You must be too young to remember when the Allies won WWII. Many Germans and
Japanese fought and killed Allied troops long after the war. Reconstruction
of the defeated countries and reformation of their governments and
infrastructure took years and a tremendous financial commitment. Much of
that investment was never repaid, even though the major Axis powers are now
well in the black.

It seems to me that you need to turn off the TV and spend some time studying
the real world.

Regards,
Rich S.

Rich

Get off the soap box with that troll.

Saddam shot at our aircraft almost every day when they flew in the
Iraq 'no fly' zone imposed after he was kicked out of Kuait. If
someone keeps shooting at you what do you do ??? turn the other cheek
and pass air?

It was well document by both Iraq and the UN that he had WMD in the
years prior to the current war. He would not let the UN confirm he had
destroyed them so one must conclude he still had some/all of them. He
had used some in country (Kurds) and also in the War with Iran so
every one knew he had.

He may have been shooting his mouth off about quanity but what he was
threatening his neighbors with warrented a change of govenment.

I have gotten a number of reports from the 'troops' through my
military channels and via military friends. Next one I get may try to
cut and paste to bring up on thread for those who live by the bar and
5 o'clock follies.

Big John


On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:36:08 -0800, "Rich S."
wrote:

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...

. . . I think the world was a better place when the most powerful nation
on
earth adhered to certain rules that had become standard between
civilized nations.

I can't see much of a difference for the world with Saddam missing (he
isn't, really, by the way). I am now absolutely certain - as most news
watchers - that Saddam didn't pose nearly the threat that some were led
to believe. There are no WMD, period. . .

Since this is an inappropriate forum for this topic - and since I don't
approve of crossposting, I will let this be my last word in this thread.

Iraq under Saddam was not abiding by international law. In the terms of
their surrender in the Gulf War, they agreed to disarm and to prove they had
done so. Their refusal to comply with those terms resulted in the resumption
of hostilities to force compliance. The existance or non-existance of WMD
has no bearing on the situation.

You have the floor.......

Rich S.

Kevin Horton wrote:

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:55:58 +0000, Ian Graeme wrote:


And there are Army bases whose commanders have had to order troops not
to wear uniforms offbase because the locals don't treat the military
well.


This would be a lot easier to believe with a few details that could
be checked against other sources.

It was on ABCNews website about 8 months ago. The story included
resports of a recruiter and his wife who were set upon by antimilitary
locals.

I'm associating Seattle with this story for some reason, but I may just
have been there when I read it.

"Big John" wrote in message
...
Rich

Not sure where you got your figures?

I ended up in the early occupation forces in Japan.

When the Emperor said quit they did.

I felt safer in the middle of a Japanesse city at midnight (I was a
Provost Marshal as an additonal duty and we kept a presence 24/7) than
I do at high noon in Wshington, D.C.

I have read reports of this for years. While I wasn't there, they seem bona
fide. Try http://www.straightdope.com/columns/000310.html for instance (just
something I Googled up quickly).

Rich S.

"Corky Scott" wrote in message
...
Rich, I've been reading military history since I first started reading
some 45 or so years ago and I'll be darned if I can recall reading
much about post WWII battles with soldiers who refused to surrender.
Can you give me a citation or two?

Corky..........

This book may have some information about the Germans who fought on.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...45748?v=glance

Werwolf!: The History of the National Socialist Guerrilla Movement,
1944-1946

Rich S.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
|
| I can't see much of a difference for the world with Saddam missing (he
| isn't, really, by the way). I am now absolutely certain - as most news
| watchers - that Saddam didn't pose nearly the threat that some were led
| to believe. There are no WMD, period.

I take it we've all seen the list of quotes from the Deomcrats that stated
EXPLICITLY that Saddam had them and what a danger they were....right up
until GWB took out after them.

Saddam's own military commanders all believed that Saddam had WMD. They
have
told investigators that they still believe it. Each of them thought the
WMDs
were under the command of some other commander. Maybe Saddam was bluffing,
but it turns out to have been a very dangerous bluff. It still does not
mean
that the US is 'losing' the war.

And defectors have been saying it for several years (those who'd worked in
the development programs).

Saddam had nearly two years or more to ditch the stuff and many willing
accomplices toward that end.

You know, it is funny. Here we have guys like you saying that CIA was too
alarmist about WMD in Iraq, but not alarmist enough about 9/11. You can't
have it both ways. These Senate investigations with their attendant
political grandstanding will end up doing as much or more damage to the
intelligence community as the Church hearings did a generation ago. We
will
be left deaf, dumb, and blind, and have people like you to thank for it.

--
"Democrats who complained that Bush was too slow to act on
doubtful intelligence re 9/11 now profess to be horrified that he
was too quick to act on doubtful intelligence re Iraq. This is not
a serious party." - Mark Steyn: The Spectator

By the way, when the **** are we going to get back in the air and fly our
ultralights.


"Eric Miller" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
Cathleen Berrick, director of Homeland Security and Justice Issues, notes
that 70 general aviation aircraft have been stolen in the last five years,
"indicating a potential weakness that could be exploited by terrorists."

Wow... 70... in 5 years.... that's a whopping 14 per year or OVER one a
month.

Compare that to how many cars, trucks, etc. which are stolen ALL of which
could be filled with explosives and turned into terrorist car bombs!!!!

Idiots.

Classic case of people fearing what they don't understand.

Eric

Rich,

Many Germans and
Japanese fought and killed Allied troops long after the war.


I am German. I am quite well educated in my country's history (I can
point at Iraq on a map, too). Your above statement is total BS.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

C,

Are you suggesting that Saddam is winning the war? Then you have an even
stranger definition of 'winning.'


Read the thread. The OP said: "We have won the war in Iraq". That's a
ridiculous statement.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Ian,

You base this on what experience, training or inspiration?


Well, then we're really glad to have you, since YOUR opinion is the
only one that really counts.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)