Your opinions, please!

WAKEUP - or anyone who knows how to do this,

I'll pay $50 (cash) for a successful search result.

Contact me at
I even have the SSN.

Please use: "$50 rec.aviation search" for the subject line (minus the
quotations) ...I just set the spam filters to let that through.

If I get a few more than one response - I'll give out the info to one person
at a time, with maybe a 7 day timeline, then go to the next person. Sound
reasonable?

Thank you in advance.

--
Montblack
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("WAKE UP!!!" wrote)
interesting info clipped
I've just opened an E-Trade Bank account in your name. It took me 3
minutes. Don't worry, tomorrow I'll close it, I'm one of the good
guys, but in the meantime I could have used that to get a small limit,
secured visa card, and that would establish a mail drop as one of your
legit addresses.

WAKE UP!!! wrote:

I'm not kidding about the E-Trade account. Check your credit report
in a month, it will be there. I used your real ssn and birthday.

Your SSN and your wife's SSN added together is 792288289

Scary ****...

Good lesson.

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Peter










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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:t9uCb.328993$Dw6.1107274@attbi_s02...
We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
overly cautious, yes.

You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
who has actually suffered from "identity theft".

As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address
(well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal
hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide
behind a phony name.

I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the
little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about
the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product,
and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder
if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once
again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us
something?

Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

I've just opened an E-Trade Bank account in your name. It took me 3
minutes. Don't worry, tomorrow I'll close it, I'm one of the good
guys, but in the meantime I could have used that to get a small limit,
secured visa card, and that would establish a mail drop as one of your
legit addresses.

In a month or so, I'd apply for half a dozen credit cards with your
name and ssn, but my mail drop address. I'd use them to buy high
value stuff, like gold, that's easy to sell for cash. Or get a quick
$10k personal loan from Cash Call. I wouldn't buy a car, they're too
easy to trace and you can't get real cash out of them. I might buy an
airplane, fly it down to South America and sell it for 25 cents on the
dollar.

I'm not kidding about the E-Trade account. Check your credit report
in a month, it will be there. I used your real ssn and birthday.

Your SSN and your wife's SSN added together is 792288289

20 years ago you lived at 1562 30th Ave. Apt. 2D, your phone number
was 554-0990. Your wife was living at 2595 N Cramer St, her phone
number was 962-8821. Her name was Udulutch. She was born in June,
1960, in the second week of the month.

You have a business. Your credit is pretty good. If you are in the
open you're a target. You should be checking your credit reports
every 3 months.

WAKE UP!!!! Don't be an idiot. There are 700,000-900,000 cases of
identity theft per year, growing at about 25% per year. Do you know
anyone that's been killed by a drunk driver? Probably not. There are
only 15,000 people killed per year by drunk drivers. That doesn't
mean it's not going to happen.

Jay;
If you belong to your local Better Business Bureau, you get the weekly
e-communications. I'm not sure this business only group would be on
such high alert if it weren't actually happening. Very few businesses
are on this bandwagon to make a profit, so although none of your
1,298,066 friends have been victimized, it's still real. Yes, I have
personally heard from one of my customers that she was/is involved in
this. Too much work trying to prove "That's not me!". And to think
of all the owner maintenance I've signed off in the logs over the
years is scary! I changed all my license numbers and strongly suggest
everyone do the same. NEVER give out your SSN to anyone who shouldn't
have it, PERIOD! There is actually a federal law on the books stating
that SSN's are not to be used for record keeping.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:43:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
overly cautious, yes.

You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
who has actually suffered from "identity theft".

As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email address
(well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with minimal
hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to hide
behind a phony name.

I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on the
little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across about
the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a product,
and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to wonder
if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue, once
again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell us
something?

Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

My original SS card had printed on the face... Not to be used for
identication. How Ironic as the IRS requires a SS#.

"Stu Gotts" wrote in message
...
Jay;
If you belong to your local Better Business Bureau, you get the weekly
e-communications. I'm not sure this business only group would be on
such high alert if it weren't actually happening. Very few businesses
are on this bandwagon to make a profit, so although none of your
1,298,066 friends have been victimized, it's still real. Yes, I have
personally heard from one of my customers that she was/is involved in
this. Too much work trying to prove "That's not me!". And to think
of all the owner maintenance I've signed off in the logs over the
years is scary! I changed all my license numbers and strongly suggest
everyone do the same. NEVER give out your SSN to anyone who shouldn't
have it, PERIOD! There is actually a federal law on the books stating
that SSN's are not to be used for record keeping.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:43:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
overly cautious, yes.

You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
who has actually suffered from "identity theft".

As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email
address
(well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with
minimal
hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to
hide
behind a phony name.

I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on
the
little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across
about
the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a
product,
and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to
wonder
if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue,
once
again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell
us
something?

Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:04:14 GMT, "Cy Galley"
wrote:

My original SS card had printed on the face... Not to be used for
identication. How Ironic as the IRS requires a SS#.

Jesus Christ! You still have that? Do you still have your original
pilot's license that was signed by Orville too?

"Stu Gotts" wrote in message
.. .
Jay;
If you belong to your local Better Business Bureau, you get the weekly
e-communications. I'm not sure this business only group would be on
such high alert if it weren't actually happening. Very few businesses
are on this bandwagon to make a profit, so although none of your
1,298,066 friends have been victimized, it's still real. Yes, I have
personally heard from one of my customers that she was/is involved in
this. Too much work trying to prove "That's not me!". And to think
of all the owner maintenance I've signed off in the logs over the
years is scary! I changed all my license numbers and strongly suggest
everyone do the same. NEVER give out your SSN to anyone who shouldn't
have it, PERIOD! There is actually a federal law on the books stating
that SSN's are not to be used for record keeping.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:43:53 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

We all know the problem with our pilot license numbers. The
name and address of a pilot, his SS number and the exact N-number,
serial number, and address of his airplane, a very valuable tangible
asset, might make easy picking for an identity thief. Am I being
overly cautious, yes.

You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
who has actually suffered from "identity theft".

As you all know, I use my real name, my real address, my real email
address
(well, mostly), and the real name of my business -- thus far, with
minimal
hassle. Am I being stupid? Dunno -- but I simply can't bring myself to
hide
behind a phony name.

I *really* enjoy the new Visa commercials, with the guy's voice-over on
the
little old lady -- they're hilarious and really get the point across
about
the risks of identity theft. However, they *are* trying to sell a
product,
and (as a result) the cynic in me rises to the fore. I just have to
wonder
if this whole "identity theft" thing isn't a product of Madison Avenue,
once
again trying to fan the flames of our own paranoia, in an effort to sell
us
something?

Does anyone know a real person who has suffered this fate?

Jay Honeck wrote:

You know, I hear this ALL THE TIME -- yet, I've never met a single person
who has actually suffered from "identity theft".
snip

About five years ago a perp opened up a cell phone account in my name
but in another time zone. Rang up $3,500 worth of charges before the
account was closed for non-payment.

I caught it by checking my credit report, which showed this as a
collection agency item. However, after I disputed the problem with the
credit reporting bureau, the collection agency got my current address
and went after me directly via harassing phone calls and certified
letters.

When I invoked the "Fair Credit Act" legalize on them, they simply sold
the debt to another sleaze bag outfit who started the process all over
again.

It took me four years and legal action on my part to put this item to
rest.

.... and I consider my experience very fortunate when I read those of
other identity theft victims.

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In article OXoCb.322300$Dw6.1094050@attbi_s02, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.

Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:

1. Should I include "anonymous" posters?

if you want to, go ahead. Maybe put the "anonymous" ones on
a separate page.

[snip]
3. Should I include email addresses?

absolutely not. well, include the email address ONLY if
the contributer explicitly allows it or want it included.

--
Bob Noel

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:59 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
:
:Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
:every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:
:
:1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
:several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
:numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
:bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
ff" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
:couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what
:do you folks think?

Why not? Anonymous pictures wouldn't have as much use as
non-anonymous (nominous?) ones do, but it doesn't cost anything to
post them. If they're asking *you* to blurr out their N numbers,
that's different and you should turn them down.
:
:2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
:but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
:Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?

Runs OK for me on a cable modem. I like the thumbnails.
:
:3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
:but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
articipants?

If you do, make them spambot resistant, like richard atsign riley
period net.

Since we all know each other by our posting identities, why not use
those? It is possible that someone might use the info about the plane
and/or pilot for other than honorable purposes. Some posters might
have valid reasons to use a different or incomplete name. Aircraft
theft, avionics theft, identity theft are all things that do occur
from time to time in our society. We can be somewhat selective about
who gets to know us in "real life". But we can't control at all who
views our posts, etc.

Richard Riley wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:59 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

: Our new rec.aviation "Rogue's Gallery" of pictures.
:
:Since our new website is obviously becoming more popular with you folks
:every day, I need some advice on how to proceed:
:
:1. Should I include "anonymous" posters? I have received pictures from
:several folks who do not wish to use their real names, have their "N"
:numbers visible, or have their home bases publicized. To me this seems
:bizarre, since the whole point of "showing off" your plane is to "show
ff" -- and how can you do *that* anonymously? Still, I've posted a
:couple of them, but I'm not sure of how to proceed. It's YOUR page -- what
:do you folks think?

Why not? Anonymous pictures wouldn't have as much use as
non-anonymous (nominous?) ones do, but it doesn't cost anything to
post them. If they're asking *you* to blurr out their N numbers,
that's different and you should turn them down.
:
:2. The page is slowing waaaay down. I really like the format of the page,
:but as it grows it's getting really slow to open. How's it running for you?
:Too slow? Okay, yet? How slow is too slow?

Runs OK for me on a cable modem. I like the thumbnails.
:
:3. Should I include email addresses? I've not included them, thus far --
:but I thought it might be valuable to have an email "directory" of
articipants?

If you do, make them spambot resistant, like richard atsign riley
period net.