Certificate- Wallet or Bag?

"C J Campbell" wrote in |
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Indeed. Another one starting out by saying "It is 2004."

Just precautionary. I figured if a guy can't decide how to carry a pilot
certificate, he might not know that the year had changed, either.

"EDR" wrote in message
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In article , Rick Durden
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EDR,


You are not required to submit to a ramp check.

In fact, you are. The Federal Aviation Act, which created the FAA,
gives the FAA authority to monitor aviation activity. If you are
asked by a person who identifies him or herself as an FAA inspector,
you are obligated to show your pilot certificate if you have it with
you.

I'm curious as to the basis for your statement above.

Statement made by a FSDO Inspector.


It's funny how you can ask 5 different FSDO inspector the same question and
get 5 different answers...

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Yes you are. Part 61.3.l:

Inspection of Certificate. Each person who holds an
airman certificate, medical certificate, authorization,
or license required by this part must present it for
inspection upon request from:
(1) The Administrator;
(2) An authorized represenative of the NTSB; or
(3) Any Federal, State, or local law enforcement
officer.

In short, Barney Fife could "request" to see your cert, and probably
seize it (I think that's another section of Part 61; definitely if
you're intoxicated, as recent airline events have shown.).

I don't know about Barney actually seizing the certificate, but else
true in all states. And "request" needn't be in quotes, since failure
to present the cert can lead to arrest. Unlike most traffic
violations, state aviation laws involve at least misdemeanors. Little
known is that many state laws say also that the airport operator can
request to see the cert. This empowers the airport operator, w/o the
need to call the police, to challenge the right of someone about to
operate an aircraft, such as a child or someone suspect for other
reasons (more relevant post 9/11).

Some states even say "other authorized person," which would allow the
operator if a gov't entity to delegate authority to an FBO. It
leaves the problem as to whether the airport manager or FBO could
physically detain the individual -- a citizen's arrest, since it
typically involves only a misdemeanor perceived about to occur and
consequent legal liability, even if the detained person isn't a
certificated pilot. Curiously, one state thus automatically
"deputizes" the airport operator in these matters, lending the right
of physical detention until police arrive.

Fred F.

wrote in message . com...
Yea! With my change of address I am finally relieved of the old
dot-matrix paper certificate. The fancy new holographic plastic

unlike some other posters, I think the new format is really cool! it
looks good and I no longer need to laminate it myself!

I keep my certificate and medical and driving license as the photo
ID one now needs to carry when exercising the privileges of our
airmen certificates (14 CFR 61.3(a)(2)(i) says a driving license is ok
for that purpose) in one of these thingies you hang around your neck
to keep your daypass when downhill skiing; for one thing I am less likely
to loose it :-), and it is quite handy if someone, e.g., FAA inspector
or law enforcement on the airport, ever asks to see it (being somewhat
conspicuous on the ramp, i.e., visible physical handicap and a thick
foreign accent, I am especially careful about such details)

--Sylvain

The New Hampshire rule with respect to a driver's license is that you
have 24 hours to produce it. So when I go to the gym, I carry my
expired license with a hole punched in it, from which hang my keys and
the gym pass. I don't want to leave my wallet in the locker room.

Strictly speaking, I don't even need the expired license, but I would
rather not risk an overnight in the Newmarket holding cell if the lads
thought I looked like a terrorist.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

I keep my certificate, and my medical, in my wallet so I can go
flying on impulse without having my flight bag with me. I also
keep a couple of headsets in the plane, and carry the plane key
around in my pocket along with all the others.

If you've got all that stuff, why not just carry the flight bag?

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

Maybe so, but anyone who is not a certificated LEO, and who cannot identify
himself as an officer of the law and show a badge, and who attempts to
physically 'arrest' another is going to get:
1. Hurt - big time
2. Sued
3. Sued
4. Sued
5. and sued some more...
Your airport manager simply cannot physically touch another in this society
without permission...

denny

As a recreational pilot who regularly flies over 50 miles from home
(requiring an endorsement), I have to carry my log book with me when I
fly. So the "license" goes into the log book, along with the medical
certificate and the New Hampshire pilot's certificate.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

wrote:

Yes you are. Part 61.3.l:

Inspection of Certificate. Each person who holds an
airman certificate, medical certificate, authorization,
or license required by this part must present it for
inspection upon request from:
(1) The Administrator;
(2) An authorized represenative of the NTSB; or
(3) Any Federal, State, or local law enforcement
officer.

In short, Barney Fife could "request" to see your cert, and probably
seize it (I think that's another section of Part 61; definitely if
you're intoxicated, as recent airline events have shown.).

And even if it did get seized just go fly anyway. This has already
happened and the FAA will Fedex you your stuff back with profound apologies.

Certificate and medical in wallet.
Logbook in flight bag.
Has worked fine for 28 years.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.



wrote in message . com...
Yea! With my change of address I am finally relieved of the old
dot-matrix paper certificate. The fancy new holographic plastic
license came in today's mail! I get to write my name right over ole
Wilber n' Orville! (Made my pilgrimage to Kiity Hawk in November)

Question

Where do you keep your certificate? I have always read that if
stopped by the police on the road they have the right to "see" your
license (AOPA decal in rear window). We've also been cautioned to just
let the officer "see" the certificate and never to actually "hand" it
over. Since we must have it with us when we fly, is it better to keep
it in the flight bag as I've always done? I don't always have the bag
in the car.

I guess I really already know the answer.... just excited to finally
have something to be proud of after all these years. But I AM curious.
Where do you keep yours?


Robert Haigh
LWM 'n BED