Avgas is cheap

How much of that $4.55 is the FBO making? Here in the US, the FBO markup is
much larger than the refining margin.

Mike
MU-2


"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
news:zr60c.605$GQ.303@newsfe1-win...
Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon for
100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price John
paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because the
oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism", don't
you?

Julian Scarfe


"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Kees, have you folks ever thought about a bit of an armed rebellion to
cure
this? It does tend to work - reference the secession of the American
Colonies from Great Britain, circa 1770's for details on how...

OK - pulling my tongue out of my cheek - your example of strangling
gasoline
prices is is exactly why the "isms" all fail... Communism has fallen...
Socialism in Europe will survive perhaps another one or two generations,
three at the most, and you then either collapse into endless poverty
with
a
whimper or another Strong Man will take center stage and arouse the
masses
with bellowing about enemies to the east, enemies to the west, the
machinations of jews/capitalists/catholics/etc., and seize power and
then
Europe will be back in the grip of it's historic leader, a
dictator/king...

Unfortunately, the disease of socialism is spreading in the USA, also...
sigh It has been a glorious ride, this mix of democracy and capitalism
these past 231 years... It is a shame to seethat the rot of socialism
has
it
now doomed...
denny

"Kees Mies" wrote in message As other posters
mentioned prices can differ locally.
This morning I filled my van for $5.34/gallon unleaded.
Last time, about a month ago, I bought 100LL for $8.83/gallon.
BTW, this is the Netherlands, sigh.
And we have landing fees too, another sigh.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
link.net...
How much of that $4.55 is the FBO making? Here in the US, the FBO markup
is
much larger than the refining margin.

And what other taxes/fees does it include?

Why do our capitalistic FBO's charge as little as $2.00-2.50 a gallon, whilr
Julian's charge $7.70?

WRT MoGas, the refiners do all the work and make about $0.12-0.18 a gallon,
while the states and feds make $0.38-0.45 a gallon (for a stroke of the
pen).


Mike
MU-2


"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
news:zr60c.605$GQ.303@newsfe1-win...
Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon for
100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price John
paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because the
oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism",
don't
you?

Julian Scarfe


"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Kees, have you folks ever thought about a bit of an armed rebellion to
cure
this? It does tend to work - reference the secession of the American
Colonies from Great Britain, circa 1770's for details on how...

OK - pulling my tongue out of my cheek - your example of strangling
gasoline
prices is is exactly why the "isms" all fail... Communism has
fallen...
Socialism in Europe will survive perhaps another one or two
generations,
three at the most, and you then either collapse into endless poverty
with
a
whimper or another Strong Man will take center stage and arouse the
masses
with bellowing about enemies to the east, enemies to the west, the
machinations of jews/capitalists/catholics/etc., and seize power and
then
Europe will be back in the grip of it's historic leader, a
dictator/king...

Unfortunately, the disease of socialism is spreading in the USA,
also...
sigh It has been a glorious ride, this mix of democracy and
capitalism
these past 231 years... It is a shame to seethat the rot of socialism
has
it
now doomed...
denny

"Kees Mies" wrote in message As other posters
mentioned prices can differ locally.
This morning I filled my van for $5.34/gallon unleaded.
Last time, about a month ago, I bought 100LL for $8.83/gallon.
BTW, this is the Netherlands, sigh.
And we have landing fees too, another sigh.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
link.net...
How much of that $4.55 is the FBO making? Here in the US, the FBO markup
is
much larger than the refining margin.

I don't know. I imagine it's not much. But either way, the point is simply
that the much smaller aviation market here for Avgas drives up prices.

Julian

I was under the impression that avgas was about 50% tax overall
here in the UK. Car petrol is around 80% tax.

Also it's not just because the oil companies can get away with it,
it's used in far smaller quantities over here, to the point where the
oil companies are thinking it's not worth the bother.

Paul

"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
news:zr60c.605$GQ.303@newsfe1-win...
Interesting. Here in the UK, we're paying about $7.70 per gallon for
100LL.

About $1.15 is sales tax levied on almost all goods.
About $2.00 is the excise duty on Avgas.

That leaves $4.55 per gallon, which is more than twice the price John
paid,
according to his original post. Why is the price so high? Because the
oil
companies can get away with it. I think you call that "capitalism", don't
you?

Paul Sengupta wrote:
I was under the impression that avgas was about 50% tax overall
here in the UK. Car petrol is around 80% tax.

Also it's not just because the oil companies can get away with it,
it's used in far smaller quantities over here, to the point where the
oil companies are thinking it's not worth the bother.

Paul

Last I heared all UK AVGAS is imported from continental refineries
due to the fact that it's "not worth the bother".
See the following link for how much agas the UK burns:
http://www.gaac.co.uk/news/detr_consultation.htm


Kevin Jones

$2.06/gal 100LL. What's wrong with this picture?

Nothing's wrong with it. Your FBO just doesn't fill the tank very
often.

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Cub Driver wrote:


$2.06/gal 100LL. What's wrong with this picture?

Nothing's wrong with it. Your FBO just doesn't fill the tank very
often.


You mean I should get a load of gas while it's still $1.89 (C03-100ll)
around here?

Who pays over $2 for 100ll?? Geez.

-Andrew

--
Andrew Stanley-Jones | "It's kind of fun to do the impossible."
EE, LongEz N87KJ | -- Walt Disney

Who pays over $2 for 100ll??

Currently best price around here (and you only get it self-serve, IF you are a
member of the local pilot's assn, AND you use a Phillips CC) is $2.45

That's why I love my autofuel STC.

www.Rosspilot.com

ASJ wrote:

Who pays over $2 for 100ll?? Geez.

Everybody who buys it within a hundred miles or so of Old Bridge, NJ. I haven't
been further away than that in some time now.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:



ASJ wrote:

Who pays over $2 for 100ll?? Geez.

Everybody who buys it within a hundred miles or so of Old Bridge, NJ. I haven't
been further away than that in some time now.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

I was skiing in Vail,CO for the first two weeks of Feb, and thought
the $1.85 was a result of the remoteness. Alamo at DIA were charging
$1.45, did the price really go this mad in the last two weeks ??
Colin.