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Old June 22nd 04, 01:45 PM
Tom Sixkiller
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"Ace Pilot" wrote in message
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Doesn't NASA have a bunch already? Weren't Neil Armstrong during

Gemini
and
Apollo, and Harrison Schmidt on Apollo 14, civilians?


We have the first astronaut of a civilian funded spacecraft.


I do believe civilians have funded every penny of the US space program.


I do believe that is wrong. Military personnel pay federal taxes, so
not every penny came from civilians.


And their pay comes from....???


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Old June 22nd 04, 03:57 PM
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Andrew Gideon wrote in
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What type of flight plan is required? Composite (IFR through class A,
VFR above)? Does Center provide services at these altitudes, or does
one fall back on reporting points?

- Andrew


Was a TFR established around the launch site?


If I remember correctly, it was 7mi radius centered
on KMHV up to FL200.

And isn't airspace above FL600 in the US class E?
Why the need for a change at that altitude?


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Old June 22nd 04, 04:18 PM
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And isn't airspace above FL600 in the US class E?


Yes.



Why the need for a change at that altitude?


Well, above some level there's just no need for it to be Class A anymore.
The level decided upon was FL 600.


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Old June 22nd 04, 04:27 PM
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And isn't airspace above FL600 in the US class E?


Yes.



Why the need for a change at that altitude?


Well, above some level there's just no need for it to be Class A anymore.
The level decided upon was FL 600.


Yes, but surely an IFR flight plan would be just as valid when ascending
through FL600 as when descending below FL180.

Assuming the mode C is properly calibrated, that is.


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Old June 22nd 04, 04:41 PM
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Yes, but surely an IFR flight plan would be just as valid when ascending
through FL600 as when descending below FL180.


Absolutely, in each case you're leaving Class A airspace and entering Class
E airspace.



Assuming the mode C is properly calibrated, that is.


The IFR flight plan is just as valid with an improperly calibrated encoder.

I worked a flight above FL600 just once. About fifteen years ago I was a
controller at Chicago Center working traffic in the Madison, WI, area. A
NASA ER-1 departed MSN requesting an unrestricted climb to FL610. I
coordinated with the high altitude sector and issued the climb. He went up
like a rocket! The Mode C readout couldn't keep up with him. Shortly after
he reported out of FL600 and cancelled IFR, the Mode C read FL600. I asked
a Data Systems Specialist about it and he told me that FL600 and higher will
read out as FL600.


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Old June 22nd 04, 05:28 PM
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Assuming the mode C is properly calibrated, that is.


How do you measure altitude at 328k feet? Surely a standard
barometric device isn't going to work?

Paul


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Old June 22nd 04, 05:38 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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I worked a flight above FL600 just once. About fifteen years ago I was a
controller at Chicago Center working traffic in the Madison, WI, area. A
NASA ER-1 departed MSN requesting an unrestricted climb to FL610.


What's an ER-1?

I
coordinated with the high altitude sector and issued the climb. He went

up
like a rocket! The Mode C readout couldn't keep up with him. Shortly

after
he reported out of FL600 and cancelled IFR, the Mode C read FL600. I

asked
a Data Systems Specialist about it and he told me that FL600 and higher

will
read out as FL600.


Cool!!!


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Old June 22nd 04, 05:48 PM
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"Paul Sengupta" wrote in message
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"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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Assuming the mode C is properly calibrated, that is.


How do you measure altitude at 328k feet? Surely a standard
barometric device isn't going to work?

Paul


Below about 50 milliBar, people use a Pirani Gauge, which is
essentially a broken light bulb -- the wire gets hotter &
changes electrical resistance as there is less air to cool the
wire. 50mBar is around 75K ft.

Lower than about 10-2 milliBar, Ion gauges are the way to
go. They are like broken vacuum tubes.




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Old June 22nd 04, 05:51 PM
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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What's an ER-1?


At the time, it was a derivitive of the Lockheed TR-1, which has since been
redesignated U-2R.


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Old June 22nd 04, 05:52 PM
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Tom Sixkiller wrote:

Oh? So would you please differentiate/explain the direct and indirect
funding?


Simple. My taxes go to the government or to various companies who collect them for
the government. My Federal income taxes directly fund the U.S. government, 'cause
that's who I pay them to. The space program was and is directly funded by the U.S.
government. Some portion of my tax money is used for that, and you can argue that
this means I indirectly fund the space program.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.
 




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