Yet another reason to Hate AOL

I have a "real" mailing list. Many or most AOL addresses bounce.

The virtue of a mailing list is that there is no limit on how many
addresses you can send to. With my email software, and with my
provider, outgoing messages are refused if there are more than 25? 30?
something like that recipients.

You can also set up the list so that additions and deletions are
handled by the list, which some people prefer (I might not want to
tell you I no longer want to get your newsletter). Personally, I do it
manually, because I get subscribers from a couple of different routes.

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:23:39 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

set up a REAL mailinglist.
-- http://www.freelists.org/

Thanks for the tip.

I just checked it out, and I fail to see how this service provides any
advantage over just creating a mailing list using any common email software.

What am I missing?

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! weblog www.vivabush.org

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:39:26 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

The first one I've tried sending you three times.

So it is wasting ressources and bouncing around the net *3* times.
what for? if you send it once and it fails, chances are that it also failes
on the second and 3rd try.

#m

--
Michael Moo Fahrenheit 9/11:
http://www.fahrenheit911.com/

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:23:39 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

set up a REAL mailinglist.
-- http://www.freelists.org/

Thanks for the tip.

I just checked it out, and I fail to see how this service provides any
advantage over just creating a mailing list using any common email software.

What am I missing?

as Chris W already pointed out.

Mailinglists are the preferred method of distributing mails to many
recipients. it has built in features like confirmed (!!) opt-in, password
reminders, web-archives, digest setting, moderation, vacation, me-too,
ACKs, filters, etc. etc.

you might also set up different lists like:
IOW-announce
IOW-discuss

unsubscribing from a list is easy.
unsubscribing from a list maintained in your mailclient is not, you always
rely on the maintainer.


hth, #m

--
Michael Moo Fahrenheit 9/11:
http://www.fahrenheit911.com/

I think his point is that these people are too stupid to understand that
they asked for the email that arrived, and that there would be only a
benefit to them in using the unsubscribe procedure given.


I sign up at (say) BestBuy to get their monthly specials via Email. Three
weeks later (and about a hundred or two spams later) I get an Email from
announcing special sales (and having links with
redirect parts) at BestBuy and having an unsubscribe link that goes to
.

Is it really from Best Buy?

Probably not. But maybe. Retailers are not very bright either.

Jose



--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)

On 03 Jul 2004 14:19:56 GMT, Teacherjh wrote:

I sign up at (say) BestBuy to get their monthly specials via Email. Three
weeks later (and about a hundred or two spams later) I get an Email from
announcing special sales (and having links with
redirect parts) at BestBuy and having an unsubscribe link that goes to
.

Is it really from Best Buy?

check the source (sic!) from the mail. Even better: don't display mails in
HTML and chose plain-text over HTML whenver possible.

what you are talking about is "phishing"

Probably not. But maybe. Retailers are not very bright either.

most of the users are too stupid to go online. you can see the result in
your inbox/spamfilter/etc.

#m
--
Michael Moo Fahrenheit 9/11:
http://www.fahrenheit911.com/

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...
I sign up at (say) BestBuy to get their monthly specials via Email. Three
weeks later (and about a hundred or two spams later) I get an Email from
announcing special sales (and having links with
redirect parts) at BestBuy and having an unsubscribe link that goes to
.

Is it really from Best Buy?

Probably not. But maybe. Retailers are not very bright either.

Unfortunately, that email might *have* been from BestBuy. I received a
similar sort of advertising from my bank, filled with URLs that linked back
to some third-party site. None linked to my bank.

I contacted my bank to ask them if the email was legitimate, and IT WAS,
amazingly enough. They had hired some company to handle their advertising,
and all of the web traffic goes through that company's domain, rather than
through my bank's domain.

I explained to them why email representing them needed to have links to
THEIR web site, not someone else's. I'm not sure if they got the concept
though. I had myself removed from their advertising mailing list, so I
haven't gotten any email from them again.

Pete

So it is wasting ressources and bouncing around the net *3* times.
what for? if you send it once and it fails, chances are that it also
failes
on the second and 3rd try.

Because computers, unlike almost anything else in the known universe, can
(and often will) give you a different result from the same input.

As is witnessed by the fact that Lee DID receive one of the emails sent.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Teacherjh wrote:
Well several morons on hotmail
were too stupid to unsubscribe them self


I never "unsubscribe" to suspected spam. I report it and let the chips fall.
Unsubscring is one of the ways spammers know the address is alive.

If you subscribed to a mailing, then get that mailing and think it is
spam, I would have to call that stupid.


And I've reported legit stuff too - because a company won't tell me what Email
address they will use to send me stuff, I can't tell whether it's legit or
spoofed from the sender line (and I've gotten plenty of spoofed stuff too).

Any good email list software for a legitimate email list will always
have your and only your address in the To: header of the message so it
is easy to see what address they are using to send stuff to you.


--
Chris W

Bring Back the HP 15C
http://hp15c.org

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http://thewishzone.com

So it is wasting ressources and bouncing around the net *3* times.
what for? if you send it once and it fails, chances are that it also
failes
on the second and 3rd try.

Because computers, unlike almost anything else in the known universe, can
(and often will) give you a different result from the same input.

As is witnessed by the fact that Lee DID receive one of the emails sent.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

So it is wasting ressources and bouncing around the net *3* times.
what for? if you send it once and it fails, chances are that it also
failes
on the second and 3rd try.

Because computers, unlike almost anything else in the known universe, can
(and often will) give you a different result from the same input.

As is witnessed by the fact that Lee DID receive one of the emails sent.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"