Flying while deaf

How does one communicate with ATC when one is deaf?

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

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"bryan chaisone" wrote in message
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How does one communicate with ATC when one is deaf?


Via light gun signals.



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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"bryan chaisone" wrote in message
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How does one communicate with ATC when one is deaf?


Via light gun signals.



That's for communications with the control tower at a controlled field
airport, not ATC!


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A better question might have been, "What does having been owned by a deaf
helicopter pilot have to do with the auction of a car?"


Agreed!

Fly Safe,
Steve R.

"Steve R." wrote in message
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How does one communicate with ATC when one is deaf?


Via light gun signals.


That's for communications with the control tower at a controlled field
airport, not ATC!


It's not ATC that staffs control towers?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Steve R." wrote in message
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How does one communicate with ATC when one is deaf?


Via light gun signals.


That's for communications with the control tower at a controlled field
airport, not ATC!


It's not ATC that staffs control towers?

Maybe, but if the guy is 20 miles out and needing clearance to enter the
airport traffic area, he's not going to be able to "see" the signal lights
very well, is he? What if he needs to transit a Class B airspace to get to
the controlled field? If he can't hear, he can't communicate with ATC,
thus, he can't get clearance. I've got to wonder if this one isn't a scam.

Signal lights are for short range, visual communications and there's no use
for them outside the airport traffic area.

Fly Safe,
Steve R.

"Steve R." wrote in message
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Via light gun signals.

That's for communications with the control tower at a controlled field
airport, not ATC!

It's not ATC that staffs control towers?

Maybe, but if the guy is 20 miles out and needing clearance to enter the
airport traffic area, he's not going to be able to "see" the signal lights
very well, is he?

Are you aware of any other method by which a deaf pilot communicates with
ATC?

Seems to me that Steven's reply quite accurately described how a deaf pilot
would communicate with ATC. The fact that the deaf pilot cannot communicate
with ATC in all circumstances is irrelevant to the answer.

Yes, one might infer that it's relevant to the original question, but it's
not Steven's way to go out of his way to be helpful (no offense
Steven...that's just how your posts are) and the original question didn't
ask how deaf pilots *can't* communicate with ATC. Steven *did* answer the
question asked, and as far as I know, did so completely (that is, he left no
other method out).

If you know different, we're all ears (except the deaf pilots ).

Pete

Maybe, but if the guy is 20 miles out and needing clearance to enter the
airport traffic area, he's not going to be able to "see" the signal lights
very well, is he?

I am not sure about bravo airspace due to nature of traffic. For other
controlled airspaces, deaf pilot already got his clearance. In order to
enter controlled airspace, he/she can contact tower by phone (They use
special device called TTY to communicate through phone) The deaf pilot will
be given instructions and squawk code.That's it. He/she will follow that
instructions.

What if he needs to transit a Class B airspace to get to
the controlled field? If he can't hear, he can't communicate with ATC,
thus, he can't get clearance.

Again, I dont think the deaf pilot can enter bravo airspace, even with a
special clearance due to nature of traffic. Besides, bravo airspaces only
cover a small percent of whole airspace system. I am pretty sure that they
can afford to make small detour if there is a conflict.

I've got to wonder if this one isn't a scam.

Signal lights are for short range, visual communications and there's no
use
for them outside the airport traffic area.

It is not a scam or anything. They fly strictly under VFR, like any other
pilots who fly without radio.


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"Steve R." wrote in message
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That's for communications with the control tower at a controlled field
airport, not ATC!


It's not ATC that staffs control towers?


Maybe,

Maybe it's not ATC that staffs control towers? Who do you think staffs
them?



but if the guy is 20 miles out and needing clearance to enter the airport
traffic area, he's not going to be able to "see" the signal lights very
well, is he?


What is this airport traffic area that requires clearance to enter at 20
miles out?



What if he needs to transit a Class B airspace to get to the
controlled field?


Then he's almost certainly outta luck. ATC must separate all traffic in
Class B airspace and it's rather hard to do that without communications.



If he can't hear, he can't communicate with ATC, thus,
he can't get clearance. I've got to wonder if this one isn't a scam.


The question was, "How does one communicate with ATC when one is deaf?"
It's a simple question. One CAN use light gun signals. Can you think of
any others?

Incidentally, there was a time when most aircraft had no radios and light
gun signals were the main form of pilot/controller communications at towered
fields.



Signal lights are for short range, visual communications and there's no
use for them outside the airport traffic area.


That's all true. So what's your point?

Incidentally, we haven't had Airport Traffic Areas in the US for almost
eleven years now.

"Steve R." wrote in message ...
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Steve R." wrote in message
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How does one communicate with ATC when one is deaf?


Via light gun signals.


That's for communications with the control tower at a controlled field
airport, not ATC!


It's not ATC that staffs control towers?

Maybe, but if the guy is 20 miles out and needing clearance to enter the
airport traffic area, he's not going to be able to "see" the signal lights
very well, is he? What if he needs to transit a Class B airspace to get to
the controlled field? If he can't hear, he can't communicate with ATC,
thus, he can't get clearance. I've got to wonder if this one isn't a scam.

Signal lights are for short range, visual communications and there's no use
for them outside the airport traffic area.

From a practical matter, how does the deaf pilot report 10 miles out
without steeping on other transmissions? Is there a device for this?

-Robert

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net...
"bryan chaisone" wrote in message
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How does one communicate with ATC when one is deaf?


Via light gun signals.

I thought the medical exemption for deaf pilots stipulated no flight
when communication with ATC is required.

-Robert