New demands for more GA security

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:25:15 -0800, "Peter Duniho"
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The Bible and Koran are the true weapons of mass destruction.

Don't blame the books. Blame the people abusing the books.

The blame lies with the faithful who are willing to suspend rational
thought and be lead to irrational acts as puppets of those
disenfranchised despots terrified of their loss of power in a
globalized world. As long as there are ready supplies of illiterate,
hungry, desperate people, there will be those eager to exploit them as
tools to operate the weapons greedy dealers supply against humanity in
the vaine hope of gaining influence in their destaines.

Until the world's people truly embrace the principle of "turn the
other cheak", the destablizing policy of "an eye for an eye" will
inexorably tend toward escalation of hostility among men.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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The blame lies with the faithful who are willing to suspend rational
thought and be lead to irrational acts as puppets

Those are the same people who are a problem everywhere, regardless of the
exact method of leading. We have plenty of non-religious people in the US
who share this same sort of blame.

of those
disenfranchised despots terrified of their loss of power in a
globalized world.

Hate to say it, but abuse of religion is just as alive and well here in the
US as it is anywhere else. Though, perhaps your description is just as apt
here as well.

As long as there are ready supplies of illiterate,
hungry, desperate people, there will be those eager to exploit them as
tools to operate the weapons greedy dealers supply against humanity in
the vaine hope of gaining influence in their destaines.

In other words, "the people abusing the books". I'm pretty sure that's what
I wrote in the first place.

It is these exploiters who are the problem, not the books.

Until the world's people truly embrace the principle of "turn the
other cheak", the destablizing policy of "an eye for an eye" will
inexorably tend toward escalation of hostility among men.

"An eye for an eye", while perhaps unenlightened, would not be as bad as the
situation that exists today.

Pete

Actually, no they are not. The Koran leaves 3 options for dealing with
nonbelievers. Convert them, subjugate them or kill them.

The Bible demands death for any violation of the 10 commandments, along with
a host of other sins.


"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"mike regish" wrote in message
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Actually, the books are not being abused at all.

Actually, yes they are.

"mike regish" wrote in
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Snipola
The Bible demands death for any violation of the 10 commandments, along
with a host of other sins.
Snipola

Chapter and verse, please?

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"mike regish" wrote in message
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Actually, no they are not. The Koran leaves 3 options for dealing with
nonbelievers. Convert them, subjugate them or kill them.

I doubt that.

The Bible demands death for any violation of the 10 commandments, along
with a host of other sins.

No, it doesn't.

I'll look it up for you, but it will take a while. You might read The End of
Faith: Religion, Terror and the Future of Reason by Sam Harris. He's done
the research and has extensive footnotes and supporting text.

mike
"Skywise" wrote in message
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"mike regish" wrote in
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Snipola
The Bible demands death for any violation of the 10 commandments, along
with a host of other sins.
Snipola

Chapter and verse, please?

Brian
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Deuteronomy 13:7-11

I don't know if that's old testament or new and don't really care.


"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"mike regish" wrote in message
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Actually, no they are not. The Koran leaves 3 options for dealing with
nonbelievers. Convert them, subjugate them or kill them.

I doubt that.

The Bible demands death for any violation of the 10 commandments, along
with a host of other sins.

No, it doesn't.

Deuteronomy 13:7-11

There's one. I can find more.

"Skywise" wrote in message
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"mike regish" wrote in
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Snipola
The Bible demands death for any violation of the 10 commandments, along
with a host of other sins.
Snipola

Chapter and verse, please?

Brian
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("mike regish" wrote)
Deuteronomy 13:7-11

I don't know if that's old testament or new and don't really care.


Old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuteronomy
[text from the link]
"Deuteronomy is the fifth book of the Hebrew Bible. It is part of Judaism's
Torah - the first segment of the Tanakh. It later became part of
Christianity's Old Testament. Its Hebrew name is Devarim [xxxx] ("words"),
which comes from the opening phrase "Eleh ha-devarim" ("These are the
words..."). The term can also stretch to mean "discourses" or "talks", as is
generally the case with the Greek word "logos"."

"Deuteronomy consists chiefly of three discourses said to have been
delivered by Moses a short time before his death, given to the Israelites,
in the plains of Moab, in the penultimate month of the final year of their
wanderings through the wilderness."


Montblack

"mike regish" wrote in
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Deuteronomy 13:7-11

There's one. I can find more.

Yes, it can certainly be read as you describe. However, keep in
mind that Deuteronomy is one of the oldest books of the Bible
and was written thousands of years ago, when the world was far
different than it is today.

Do you think that all religions who hold the Bible sacred would
take such a statement as a literal command? Do you mean to imply
that, for instance, a Catholic or even a Jew (Deuteronomy is part
of the Torah, IIRC) should go on a murderous rampage based on this
passage? More to the point, do these religions suggest doing so
TODAY?

Having been raised a Catholic and having gone through Catholic
schooling, I do not ever recall being told that I should go and
stone someone because they want me to change beliefs.

I suppose I should have killed those two Jehovah Witness's that
used to visit me a few years ago? After all, it's in the Bible,
right? Therefore I was simply following what my Bible told me
to do, right? I should not be held accountable for my actions,
because I was practicing my religion, which is granted protection
under the Constitution of the United States, right? Heck, since
you seem opposed to "my God", I should hunt you down and kill you
too, right? After all, my Bible says to do so, right?

No, what you are referring to is fundamental extremism. Yes, a
group of people could take that passage in the most fundamental
and literal sense and act on it. But that does not make it right
and I would not support such action.

You are making the false sweeping generalization that just because
there are some phucked up in the head people who twist the Bible
(or other books) as an excuse to commit their misdeeds, that ALL
people who hold such Books sacred must be guilty of the same crime.

Brian
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