Could training at a towered airport have prevented the ADIZ bust

Jack Allison wrote:
Jonathan Goodish wrote:

If you fly from an uncontrolled field and aren't an instrument pilot,
there is a good chance that you very rarely, if ever, talk to anyone
on the radio.
What do you base this theory on? Speculation? Gut feel? Facts?

I was not the original poster but the 'not talking to anyone' is not
speculation. Regularly there are posts about what to say when you
go near a Class B or even Class C airspace on these very same
newsgroups. I've read where people had to fly 2 hours to get to
the nearest controlled airport. Certainly they can talk to ATC
enroute but I'd bet many of these people are just not used to
it and scared away from talking to ATC. Granted most people do
talk to ATC but it is very likely there are those out there
that rarely talk to ATC.

Gerald

"G. Sylvester" wrote in message
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Jack Allison wrote:
Jonathan Goodish wrote:

If you fly from an uncontrolled field and aren't an instrument pilot,
there is a good chance that you very rarely, if ever, talk to anyone
on the radio.
What do you base this theory on? Speculation? Gut feel? Facts?

I was not the original poster but the 'not talking to anyone' is not
speculation. Regularly there are posts about what to say when you
go near a Class B or even Class C airspace on these very same
newsgroups. I've read where people had to fly 2 hours to get to
the nearest controlled airport. Certainly they can talk to ATC
enroute but I'd bet many of these people are just not used to
it and scared away from talking to ATC. Granted most people do
talk to ATC but it is very likely there are those out there
that rarely talk to ATC.

Gerald

Of course there are some small number of exceptions, just like those that
have no idea what to do at an airport if there is not a controller available
to tell them what to do. Still, the original post was nonsense.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

I hadn't heard this -- was their radio inop?

I heard that on NPR yesterday, but I just saw a post tonight in which
someone said they called the fighters after they were intercepted.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

Thier radio was NOT inop. They played the tapes on NBC news last night.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

I hadn't heard this -- was their radio inop?

I heard that on NPR yesterday, but I just saw a post tonight in which
someone said they called the fighters after they were intercepted.

Thier radio was NOT inop. They played the tapes on NBC news last night.

I didn't hear the tapes, but I read the CNN interview with the interceptor pilot
who said that they did communicate on 121.5.

speculation
We all know what the radios tend to be like in 40 year old C150s in the rental
fleet. Could be the radios were good enough to talk to an interceptor that's
dropping flares in front of you, but bad enough to discourage you from trying to
get enroute VFR advisories.
/speculation

Dave Butler wrote:
speculation
We all know what the radios tend to be like in 40 year old C150s in the rental
fleet. Could be the radios were good enough to talk to an interceptor that's
dropping flares in front of you, but bad enough to discourage you from trying
to get enroute VFR advisories.
/speculation


I can certainly buy that. I never flew a C-150 that didn't have crappy radios;
in fact, most had just one POS nav-com and a transponder.

One other thought: those who are feeling superior to these poor schmucks ought
to think back to when they were low time pilots. Have they never gotten lost?

Even flying through the Giron Corridor over Cuba, I've never been intercepted by
fighters. I expect that is outside the experience of most of the posters here
as well.

In this case, the private pilot needs to get a short suspension and/or mandated
dual. Nothing should happen to the student; he was effectively just the
passenger. And the government needs to rethink its procedures....



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

I hadn't heard this -- was their radio inop?

I heard that on NPR yesterday, but I just saw a post tonight in which
someone said they called the fighters after they were intercepted.

Thier radio was NOT inop. They played the tapes on NBC news last night.

I didn't hear the tapes, but I read the CNN interview with the interceptor
pilot who said that they did communicate on 121.5.

speculation
We all know what the radios tend to be like in 40 year old C150s in the
rental fleet. Could be the radios were good enough to talk to an
interceptor that's dropping flares in front of you, but bad enough to
discourage you from trying to get enroute VFR advisories.
/speculation


The tapes I heard were ATC-to-Airborne Idiot and were quite clear.

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

One other thought: those who are feeling superior to these poor schmucks ought
to think back to when they were low time pilots. Have they never gotten lost?

The pilot in command apparently is not low time.

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

"G. Sylvester" wrote in message
...
Jack Allison wrote:
Jonathan Goodish wrote:

If you fly from an uncontrolled field and aren't an instrument pilot,
there is a good chance that you very rarely, if ever, talk to anyone
on the radio.
What do you base this theory on? Speculation? Gut feel? Facts?

I was not the original poster but the 'not talking to anyone' is not
speculation. Regularly there are posts about what to say when you
go near a Class B or even Class C airspace on these very same
newsgroups. I've read where people had to fly 2 hours to get to
the nearest controlled airport. Certainly they can talk to ATC
enroute but I'd bet many of these people are just not used to
it and scared away from talking to ATC. Granted most people do
talk to ATC but it is very likely there are those out there
that rarely talk to ATC.


I can (and do) regularly fly from Montrose to Rapid City and don't have to
talk to anyone but myself until I land.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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What it is is that entirely too many cops have been killedv or injured
because
they didn't cuff someone.

Its not just in this case but I saw it in nearly ordinary
automobile traffic cases.

Yep. I remember a routine traffic stop in Knoxville back around 1970. The
driver
shot the officer through the door and drove away. Made a few changes to
the
rules right there.

It doesn't sound like a case of not cuffing him; more like the bad guy was
still in his car.

Kev wrote:

So one question is (because I don't know), is flight following easy to
get in that area?

Yep. It's real easy to have your flight followed by an F-16. :-(

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.