SAA vs. EAA

I stand corrected

Scott


Juan Jimenez wrote:
I wouldn't even consider it. Too damn cold, way too much cheese. I mean, who
in their right mind would call a salad piled high with cheddar "health
food"?



I defy anyone to say they would turn
down Tom's job based solely on its associated salary + benefits if offered
to them...

Scott


Dave Hyde wrote:


Scott wrote...



Dave, I'm not trying to pick a fight, but what kind of informed decision
are you having to make?


Whether to send my money to the EAA or elsewhere.
Whether I think they use the money I've sent wisely.



Are you deciding what organizations to belong to based on
CEO salary rather than what the organization itself stands
for and the services they provide to the members?


Who said anything about the "rather than" part? Don't
read more into my question than I put there.

Dave 'strawman' Hyde

Absolutely correct. I couldn't have said it better. If people aren't
happy with the wages, there is nothing forcing them to support them...

Scott



Dave Hyde wrote:

Scott...


If you are unhappy with what they offer him, show up
at the annual member's meeting and cast your vote.


Or look for another alternative. There's nothing
that requires continued support of an organization if
you disagree with the direction they've taken.

Dave 'break right' Hyde

My point exactly. Apathetic voters can't bitch about the leadership,
whether leader of EAA or leader of the United States...if we don't vote
(in person rather than by giving our vote to someone by proxy) we
don't really have much say about the outcome. I don't think the voting
was set up to "rig" the outcome, but since it's a national and
international organization, could EAA expect enough members to show up
at the annual meeting to cast votes?

Scott


Rich S. wrote:




This has little effect when the Board of Directors has set up the voting
procedure to reap all the apathetic votes. We all know it. Don't try a snow
job.

Rich "I don't care, wins again" S.

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 18:57:19 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote:

Scott wrote:

I'm not saying the interests would suffer. The Board of Directors set
the pay for Tom. If you are unhappy with what they offer him, show up
at the annual member's meeting and cast your vote. If you send in your
proxy, you are allowing someone else to vote on your behalf. Would you
head EAA for $100K per year? Would you head it for $300K? Can you say
yes? I thought you could.

I turned down a nice sarcasm mode oncushy /sarcasm mode project
manager's job working 12 to 16 hours a day that paid one whale of a
*lot* more than that. I even offered to organize the thing and help
some one to run it, but they didn't want that and I told them I
retired so I didn't have to work those kind of hours.
Actually it was a pretty good job.

Thing is, the job was doing exactly what I'd been doing the previous
two and a half years (prior to retirement), but for a different
company. It was even the same software vendor and reps and many times
the salary.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

BOD elections are heavily stacked in favor of the incumbents. It is
very hard to get your name on the ballot as the nominating committee is
comprised of, you guessed it, existing board members typically.


Matt

Scott wrote...

Would you head EAA for $100K per year? Would you
head it for $300K?

I don't equate willingness to accept a high salary with
willingness to donate money so that someone else can.

Can you say yes? I thought you could.

Speak for yourself. Don't need it, don't want it.

Dave 'wing of fortune' Hyde

Smitty wrote:
They've done
similar things in the past.

I think they did a smilar thing ONCE. There wasn't a whole lot
of response. The Bowers Fly Baby was the result.

Aircraft Spruce held a design contest in 1997 but declined to
award any prizes despite the submission of several designs.

Well, let me weigh in on that one. EAA had a competition some years ago for
a "safety related" design. I submitted a low-fuel ("bingo") light that
would come on when you had half an hour of fuel remaining in the tanks.
Another colleague of mine submitted a particularly clever electronic angle
of attack indicator that could be made for peanuts. There were several
other entries, most of them pretty good stuff.

The prize was a brand new Lycoming O-235. My intention, if I won, was to
auction the engine off and donate 50% of the proceeds to the Voyager
project, then in the final stages of testing.

Well, wouldn't you know it? The EAA inexplicably "extended" the deadline
for filing, and lo and behold, one of the EAA directors submitted a book
during the extension. The book was, by any reasonable standard, a
hodge-podge of "how to fly safely" tips that would probably, in any college
classroom, be examined closely for plagiarism.

Would you care to guess who won, and who just happened to need an O-235 for
his current project?

Jim



How about the EAA offer a competition for a
plans built 2 place airplane to suit the catagory? They've done
similar things in the past.

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...

Well, let me weigh in on that one. EAA had a competition some years ago
for
a "safety related" design. I submitted a low-fuel ("bingo") light that
would come on when you had half an hour of fuel remaining in the tanks.
Another colleague of mine submitted a particularly clever electronic angle
of attack indicator that could be made for peanuts. There were several
other entries, most of them pretty good stuff.

The prize was a brand new Lycoming O-235. My intention, if I won, was to
auction the engine off and donate 50% of the proceeds to the Voyager
project, then in the final stages of testing.

Well, wouldn't you know it? The EAA inexplicably "extended" the deadline
for filing, and lo and behold, one of the EAA directors submitted a book
during the extension. The book was, by any reasonable standard, a
hodge-podge of "how to fly safely" tips that would probably, in any
college
classroom, be examined closely for plagiarism.

Would you care to guess who won, and who just happened to need an O-235
for
his current project?

Jim



How about the EAA offer a competition for a
plans built 2 place airplane to suit the catagory? They've done
similar things in the past.

Crooked muhfuggers; they wouldn't steal a red-hot stove. Another reason to
quit paying dues. They're ASHAMED to tell just exactly what their officers
and directors collect and from what sources among all their interlocking
directorates and layered subsidiaries.

The aXXholes took our chapter off the official website because one of our
officers was slack paying his dues-- and didn't even give us notice about
it.

Every time I criticised one of their gilded cronies, the nabob twirp who
bought New Gasair and his shyster toady who runs this shabby little plastic
and litigation mill, I caught hell from Ed Wischmeyer, who I found out later
(especially from pictures showing them all together for a photo op) was
another one of their toe-sucking toadies.

"RST Engineering" writes:

Another colleague of mine submitted a particularly clever electronic angle
of attack indicator that could be made for peanuts.

I'm intrigued. Do you know if the information on this AoA indicator
system is available? Not that I'm not interested in your low fuel
detector as well.

-Dave

I'm sure if you wrote EAA and asked for "the AoA project that you screwed a
good designer out of" that they would be overjoyed to provide you a copy of
the design.

Jim

"David Bridgham" wrote in message
...
"RST Engineering" writes:

Another colleague of mine submitted a particularly clever electronic
angle
of attack indicator that could be made for peanuts.

I'm intrigued. Do you know if the information on this AoA indicator
system is available? Not that I'm not interested in your low fuel
detector as well.

-Dave