Runway Numbering - Radio Procedure

If one announces "Runway Two Zero" but the "Zero" is cutoff the listener
thinks "Runway Two". Announcing "Runway "Zero Two" prevents this
possibility.
Obviously this problem only occurs with a limited number of runway
alignments.

The "Runway Zero Two" for someone speaking at 120 words per minute occupies
1/2 second more than "Runway Two."

We've got Rwy 03/21 and 30/12 at STE. I always say Zero Three when using
that runway for exactly the reason you indicate.
Jim

"Daniel L. Lieberman" wrote in message
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If one announces "Runway Two Zero" but the "Zero" is cutoff the listener
thinks "Runway Two". Announcing "Runway "Zero Two" prevents this
possibility.
Obviously this problem only occurs with a limited number of runway
alignments.

The "Runway Zero Two" for someone speaking at 120 words per minute
occupies
1/2 second more than "Runway Two."

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
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We've got Rwy 03/21 and 30/12 at STE.


No, you've got Rwy 3/21 and 30/12 at STE.

what is the problem of thinking rwy two or rwy zero-two are they not the
same runway?
BT

"Daniel L. Lieberman" wrote in message
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If one announces "Runway Two Zero" but the "Zero" is cutoff the listener
thinks "Runway Two". Announcing "Runway "Zero Two" prevents this
possibility.
Obviously this problem only occurs with a limited number of runway
alignments.

The "Runway Zero Two" for someone speaking at 120 words per minute
occupies 1/2 second more than "Runway Two."

No, because there are no runways named "zero-two" in the US...



"BTIZ" wrote in message
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what is the problem of thinking rwy two or rwy zero-two are they not the
same runway?
BT

"Daniel L. Lieberman" wrote in message
m...

If one announces "Runway Two Zero" but the "Zero" is cutoff the listener
thinks "Runway Two". Announcing "Runway "Zero Two" prevents this
possibility.
Obviously this problem only occurs with a limited number of runway
alignments.

The "Runway Zero Two" for someone speaking at 120 words per minute
occupies 1/2 second more than "Runway Two."

Daniel L. Lieberman wrote:

If one announces "Runway Two Zero" but the "Zero" is cutoff the
listener thinks "Runway Two". Announcing "Runway "Zero Two" prevents
this possibility.

....but it introduces the possibility of the listener hearing "runway zero".
How is that any better?

It's best to use the numbers painted on the runway.

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If you hear 'runway zero', then you know you have missed something in the
transmission.

"John T" wrote in message
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Daniel L. Lieberman wrote:

If one announces "Runway Two Zero" but the "Zero" is cutoff the
listener thinks "Runway Two". Announcing "Runway "Zero Two" prevents
this possibility.

...but it introduces the possibility of the listener hearing "runway
zero".
How is that any better?

It's best to use the numbers painted on the runway.

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"Mike W." wrote in message


If you hear 'runway zero', then you know you have missed something in
the transmission.

Similarly, if you're in the pattern for runway 20 and you hear somebody
announce "[your airport] traffic, N123 base, runway 2[garbled]", you can
assume you've missed something. You still haven't made a case for using
anything but the numbers painted on the runway.

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"Mike W." wrote in message


If you hear 'runway zero', then you know you have missed something in
the transmission.

Similarly, if you're in the pattern for runway 20 and you hear somebody
announce "[your airport] traffic, N123 base, runway 2[garbled]", you can
assume you've missed something. You still haven't made a case for using
anything but the numbers painted on the runway.



Well, yes, the case is easy to make.

If everybody used the leading zero all the time, then you KNOW FOR SURE
anytime you hear less than two digits, then you have missed something.

If the leading zero is NOT used and you hear only ONE digit, then you have
no way of knowing whether you missed something, or not.

Shortening a direction-based entity in this way is unnatural and causes
confusion. Even the FAA's own NACO chart-selection web site, uses the
leading zeros in the index, and then omits them on the charts..

"Icebound" wrote in message
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Well, yes, the case is easy to make.

If everybody used the leading zero all the time, then you KNOW FOR SURE
anytime you hear less than two digits, then you have missed something.


How do I know the digits haven't been transposed? If I hear, "Podunk
traffic, Waco niner eight zero one victor, entering downwind runway zero
two, stop-and-go, Podunk", how do I know the pilot didn't mean to say,
"Podunk traffic, Waco niner eight zero one victor, entering downwind runway
two zero, stop-and-go, Podunk." Podunk does have a runway two zero, but it
has no runway designated zero two.



If the leading zero is NOT used and you hear only ONE digit, then you have
no way of knowing whether you missed something, or not.


What might I have missed if I hear,"Podunk traffic, Waco niner eight zero
one victor, entering downwind runway two, stop-and-go, Podunk."



Shortening a direction-based entity in this way is unnatural and causes
confusion. Even the FAA's own NACO chart-selection web site, uses the
leading zeros in the index, and then omits them on the charts..


That may be only a software requirement.