The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training

In article , says...

But once you've rotated, climbed out, and reached cruising altitude ..., the
situation changes drastically: the pilot loses virtually all external visual
reference cues.

Take off the foggles? G

Immanuel,

I am not part of a "group", so why the reference to "you guys"?


Well, you seem to be part of a group believing in this bs.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Immanuel Goldstein wrote:



That would make you a liar. As any American judge would say to a jury,
"Any witness that you find has told a single lie, you shall disregard
_all_ of their testimony."

May disregard, not shall.

Would you guys mind moving this off rec.aviation.piloting and
rec.aviation.student? These forums are for actual flying discussions
for pilots. I think you already got your answer from the pilot
community.

-Robert, CFI

LOL


"Immanuel Goldstein" wrote in
message ...
| On 2/22/2006 8:05 AM, Jim Macklin enscribed:
| I'm sure he voted for Kerry.
|
|
| How laughable. The American political system is corrupt,
and rotting away like a
| leprous corpse. Americans still believe they have a
"two-party" system, and this
| system is used to foment distrust among its own citizens.
This has been true
| since Woodrow Wilson entered office.
|
| Please refrain from further assumptions about someone you
do not know. Frankly,
| it makes you appear like an ass. The very act of
assumption is what has biased
| your thoughts into accepting the ludicrous lies and
"conspiracy theory" you have
| been told by your government.
|
|
| --
| Closely Monitored,
|
| Immanuel Goldstein
|
| "The history of the present [US Government] is a history
of repeated injuries
| and usurpations, all having in direct object the
establishment of an absolute
| Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be
submitted to a candid world."
| - Declaration of Independence
|
| The Pentagon Strike
| http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm
|
| The Demolition of WTC Building 7
|
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/index.html#building7
|
| "It's just a god-damned piece of paper!"
| - Bush on the U.S. Constitution,
http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp12142005.html
|
| "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a
revolutionary act."
| - Orwell
|
| "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing
invariably the same
| Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute
Despotism, it is their
| right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and
to provide new Guards
| for their future security."
| - Declaration of Independence

really?


"Immanuel Goldstein" wrote in
message ...
| On 2/22/2006 9:09 AM, Jim Macklin enscribed:
|
| This would have been the British Government, your
history is
| in error.
|
|
| The [] symbols are commonly used in writing to specify a
change or insertion by
| the editor. It seems to fit nicely with current American
policies.
|
|
| --
| Closely Monitored,
|
| Immanuel Goldstein
|
| "The history of the present [US Government] is a history
of repeated injuries
| and usurpations, all having in direct object the
establishment of an absolute
| Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be
submitted to a candid world."
| - Declaration of Independence
|
| The Pentagon Strike
| http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm
|
| The Demolition of WTC Building 7
|
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/index.html#building7
|
| "It's just a god-damned piece of paper!"
| - Bush on the U.S. Constitution,
http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp12142005.html
|
| "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a
revolutionary act."
| - Orwell
|
| "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing
invariably the same
| Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute
Despotism, it is their
| right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and
to provide new Guards
| for their future security."
| - Declaration of Independence

Schumer would have been a trustee guard in a Nazi camp.




"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...
|
| "Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in message
| ...
|
| "Jim Macklin"
wrote in message
| news:ur_Kf.103380$4l5.101519@dukeread05...
| I'm sure he voted for Kerry.
|
|
|
| You would think someone named Goldstein would be all for
Muslim terrorists
| attacking US landmarks to start a war.
|
| Like Chuckie Shummer?
|
|
|

Nonsense!

In 1999 I had an opportunity to "fly" the 777 Simulator at Boeing. I
was a two-hundred hour Cessna 172 pilot -- strictly VFR. With 30
minutes of "training" and a bit of coaching I was able to "fly" to the
destination and make a successful IFR approach and landing. I believe
an experienced PC Flight Simulator "pilot" could do as well.

Modern Glass cockpits really do make flying much easier -- when
everything works properly. When it doesn't the the pilot, i.e., Systems
Manger, really earns his/her salary.

I don't have any doubts that the September 11th Terrorists did not fly
the airliners into the targets. Hitting three of Four was probably
better luck than they would have predicted, but even a blind pig finds
an occasional truffle. See Occam's Razor.

- John Ousterhout -




Immanuel Goldstein wrote:
The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training

Nila Sagadevan | February 21 2006

Nila Sagadevan is an aeronautical engineer and a qualified pilot of
heavy aircraft.

What follows is an attempt to bury this myth once and for all, because
I’ve heard this ludicrous explanation bandied about, ad nauseum, on the
Internet and the TV networks—invariably by people who know nothing
substantive about flight simulators, flying, or even airplanes.

A common misconception non-pilots have about simulators is how “easy� it
is to operate them. They are indeed relatively easy to operate if the
objective is to make a few lazy turns and frolic about in the “open
sky�. But if the intent is to execute any kind of a maneuver with even
the least bit of precision, the task immediately becomes quite daunting.
And if the aim is to navigate to a specific geographic location hundreds
of miles away while flying at over 500 MPH, 30,000 feet above the ground
the challenges become virtually impossible for an untrained pilot.

[snip]

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:w03Lf.103892$4l5.63714@dukeread05...
Schumer would have been a trustee guard in a Nazi camp.




I remember reading the term used for those "helpers" by the Nazis, I think
it was something close to "Sondercommando". Not real certain of the
spelling, since I believe what I was reading was from a periodical in the
late 50s. Yeah, Sondercommando Schumer does
seem to fit his personality.

Harold Burton

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Would you guys mind moving this off rec.aviation.piloting and
rec.aviation.student? These forums are for actual flying discussions
for pilots. I think you already got your answer from the pilot
community.

-Robert, CFI

Drop rec.aviation.homebuilt also.

But, but...

That would only leave alt.politics!