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![]() "Bob Noel" wrote in message ... In article , "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote: At home I'm running an Alienware 3.5 Ghz machine with WinXP and I have restarted it exactly 4 times (other than after new software loads) in the last 12 months. So stability is not an issue and it is MANY times faster than anything Apple makes today and it was a year old last December. "many times faster"? are you nuts? How long does it take this wicked fast machine to process/encode one hour of video for burning on a DVD? For your claim of "many times faster", it would have to complete the job in less than 10 minutes. This I would love to see. -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate I haven't burned any DVDs but when I get a chance I will. I'm not sure but I think the dual NVIDIA cards may offload some of the video processing so it might not be a fair comparison. |
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![]() "Garner Miller" wrote in message ... In article , Gig 601XL Builder wrote: I was an Apple guy from my first Apple IIe and worked with several Macs until about 7 years ago when both work and the games I wanted to play knocked me out of the Mac arena. Apple makes a great machine and for certain uses it has no peer. But don't let anyone fool you it is not perfect and has bugs and glitches all it own. With all due respect, your experiences with the Apple machines of 7+ years ago are not at all relevant to the machines of today. The operating system is *completely* rewritten five years ago, the hardware is much better (and uses more commodity parts for inexpensive upgrades), and the reliability, stability, and security model put Windows (even 2000 and XP) to shame. No, it isn't perfect, but if you're basing your opinion on the old-technology machines, you're misinforming yourself. (It's the equivalent of me disliking Windows because of poor experiences with Win 95 on a Pentium 90 -- no comparison with today's machines.) No, I still have frequent access to Macs specificlly a G5 with the most either the most current or close to it version of OS X. As far as reliability and stability I'll match my Alien against the Macs. Security, that's a different matter. Some of the issues that have hit the Windows machines are because of the users and some are because of the OS. But many are because there just aren't that many people out there writing malware to effect the Mac OS. At home I'm running an Alienware 3.5 Ghz machine with WinXP and I have restarted it exactly 4 times (other than after new software loads) in the last 12 months. So stability is not an issue and it is MANY times faster than anything Apple makes today and it was a year old last December. Alienware makes a fine machine -- hopefully that'll still hold true now that Dell has purchased the company. And if I were a heavy gamer, I'd buy one for that purpose. But I don't believe your speed claims hold water -- the current top-end PowerPC G5 machine uses two dual-core 2.5GHz processors, and will far outperform the Athlon64 I'm assuming you're using. I think it will kind of depend on the specific task. The last head to head comparison I read about was A 64 Bit G4 against a 32bit AMD. The tests were some Photoshop tasks and they were split. |
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![]() "john smith" wrote in message ... In article , Garner Miller wrote: Alienware makes a fine machine -- hopefully that'll still hold true now that Dell has purchased the company. And if I were a heavy gamer, I'd buy one for that purpose. But I don't believe your speed claims hold water -- the current top-end PowerPC G5 machine uses two dual-core 2.5GHz processors, and will far outperform the Athlon64 I'm assuming you're using. I listened to a podcast last week that revealed that intel has a group of inhouse games that have been playing with overclocking their processors for some time now. They have convinced conservative upper-management that it can be safely done with outstanding results. Aleinware pretty much made a business out of overclocking machines. |
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I think it will kind of depend on the specific task. The last head to head
comparison I read about was A 64 Bit G4 against a 32bit AMD. The tests were some Photoshop tasks and they were split. Which brings up the sad commentary that Apple has to take a step backwards to 32-bit software to run on the new intel processors. |
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote: At home I'm running an Alienware 3.5 Ghz machine with WinXP and I have restarted it exactly 4 times (other than after new software loads) in the last 12 months. So stability is not an issue and it is MANY times faster than anything Apple makes today and it was a year old last December. How long does it take this wicked fast machine to process/encode one hour of video for burning on a DVD? For your claim of "many times faster", it would have to complete the job in less than 10 minutes. This I would love to see. I haven't burned any DVDs but when I get a chance I will. I'm not sure but I think the dual NVIDIA cards may offload some of the video processing so it might not be a fair comparison. Well, AFAIK the video cards don't have anything to do with the encoding/processing of converting DV into a video DVD. -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
... Well, AFAIK the video cards don't have anything to do with the encoding/processing of converting DV into a video DVD. You could use a little updating (but not much...this is relatively recent). The latest and greatest video cards include support for "DXVA" (DirectX Video Acceleration). It provides a way for applications other than 3D acceleration to take advantage of the immense processing power present on modern 3D accelerator cards. The processors on the video cards aren't completely specialized, and it turns out that they are suitable for handling a variety of computational tasks, including transcoding video streams (such as is necessary to convert digital video from one format to another, including when burning a DVD). Regardless, I find the term "many" to be ambiguous enough to give "Gig" whatever wiggle room he needs. ![]() computer is at least twice as fast as anything Apple is offering so far (though as they introduce more Intel-based Macs, that will cease to be true), and one need not come anywhere close to 10 minutes to burn a 60 minute DVD to prove "many" times faster. I doubt any Apple can do a DVD in better than real-time (and probably slower) so as long as "many" only means "three", all he needs is to be able to burn a 60-minute DVD in 20 minutes, probably not even that quickly (depending on actual Mac performance, of course). Now, can his PC burn a DVD in 20 minutes? Don't know. But especially if it's using DXVA for the video transcoding, and he has a fast DVD burner, it's not entirely out of the question. Even at 30 minutes, he'd still be able to support "many" (assuming he goes with an odd definition like "two" ![]() So, how fast can the fastest Mac burn a DVD anyway? ![]() Pete |
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Alienware machines are know for speed at gaming.
That does not necessarily translate into speed for other processes. |
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"Peter Duniho" wrote: Well, AFAIK the video cards don't have anything to do with the encoding/processing of converting DV into a video DVD. You could use a little updating (but not much...this is relatively recent). more specifically, the video card in my G5 doesn't get involved in the processing. Thus any attempt to wiggle out of the claim of "many times faster" is invalid. Regardless, I find the term "many" to be ambiguous enough to give "Gig" whatever wiggle room he needs. ![]() computer is at least twice as fast as anything Apple is offering so far twice many And I'd like to see proof of your assertion (though as they introduce more Intel-based Macs, that will cease to be true), and one need not come anywhere close to 10 minutes to burn a 60 minute DVD to prove "many" times faster. I doubt any Apple can do a DVD in better than real-time well, you yourself need some updating. My not-top-of-the-line G5 will process AND burn a 60 minute DVD in about 40 minutes. I haven't tried to make this faster by fiddling with various settings. This is fast enough for me. :-) [incorrect conclusions based on faulty-data deleted] -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
... more specifically, the video card in my G5 doesn't get involved in the processing. Thus any attempt to wiggle out of the claim of "many times faster" is invalid. No one was talking about YOUR computer using the video card. The potential "error" suggested was that HIS computer might use the video card. At least, that was my understanding. You don't have dual video cards, do you? Regardless, I find the term "many" to be ambiguous enough to give "Gig" whatever wiggle room he needs. ![]() Alienware computer is at least twice as fast as anything Apple is offering so far twice many As I said, his definition of "many" may not be the same as yours. That's the problem with vague words like "many". They can mean a variety of things, and two people may go to the grave arguing about the "correct" meaning (even though there are numerous, or even infinite correct meanings). And I'd like to see proof of your assertion You'd have to look up benchmarks at the various review sites. I make the statement based on general knowledge of the PowerPC versus AMD/Intel CPU performance ("Gig" didn't mention which CPU brand he actually has, but assuming it's supposed to be really fast, it's probably an AMD part, for their superior floating point performance). [...] My not-top-of-the-line G5 will process AND burn a 60 minute DVD in about 40 minutes. If you say so. You must at least be using a dual-proc box. Even so, your experience doesn't match what I've read about the G5's (or any other Mac for that matter). Pete |
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"Peter Duniho" wrote: My not-top-of-the-line G5 will process AND burn a 60 minute DVD in about 40 minutes. If you say so. You must at least be using a dual-proc box. yep. The 2.3 GHz dual core G5 is but one of the machines that Apple makes, yet isn't as fast as the 2.5 Ghz quad G5 (or the older 2.7 GHz dual processor G5). Even so, your experience doesn't match what I've read about the G5's (or any other Mac for that matter). All I can report on is my own actual experience with my dual core G5 and my other older Apple computers. -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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