Reported by CNN this morning!!!!!

Russell Kent wrote:

pac plyer wrote:

Take a nice nap on the way to Oshgosh! Just make sure your rated co-pilot doesn't do it the same time you do!
(sorry, your wife or dog do not qualify.) ;-)

Uh, *some* wives do: Margy Natalie, Sydney Hoeltzli, Tina Marie (ok, so technically she isn't married...). And
some husbands do not. And the spelling is "Oshkosh". :-)

Russell Kent

Nancy would when I was FP, but I couldn't when she was FP.

Warren

Mark Hickey wrote in message . ..
Dave S wrote:

Maybe NOW the feds can push through some MEANINGFUL crew rest and duty
time limitations. Whats scary is riding in the back in a 135 op and
looking up to find BOTH of them guys nodding off... its happened more
than once.

Back in '72 I flew Aeroflot across the Atlantic and was shocked to see
the stewardess carrying glasses of cognac to the cabin (and later
returning with the empties). Oh well, we made it.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

If that bothers ya, don't fly Air France either. Even though they
flew in U.S. airspace, the frogs were notorious for having a miniature
wine with their trans-Atlantic meals. (but that was before random
booze testing; not sure if that still goes on, unless they perform
their own testing ;-))

pac "sixpack" plyer

Curious Question wrote in message ...
snip
What do you think will happen to the co-pilot for allowing this sort
of public behaviour by the captain and doing nothing to wake him up and
stop it.

Nothing. Some sharp words and an easy line-check. He's not PIC.

pacplyer

"Michael McNulty" writes:

big deal, OK so I am a little suprised that a guy felt the need in a
twotter,
but whatever, he was tired, the FP was obviously more than capable, or so
the
NFP would have thought, or he would not have been sleeping.
Regards this issue, it is all about perception, not safety.


Then lets eliminate the required second crew member, if he is not really
needed, and save the labor expense.

How do you eliminate a second crew member for enroute only?

--kyler

In article , Kyler Laird
writes:


Then lets eliminate the required second crew member, if he is not really
needed, and save the labor expense.

How do you eliminate a second crew member for enroute only?

--kyler



Just like ships at sea do when they pickup the harbor pilot, they stop and wait
for the pilot to come on board. BFG


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

In article , Big John
writes:


Without getting into dirty details and War Stories, I concur.

If asked, I wonder if the passengers would have rather had the Capt
awake on cruise portion of trip and tired when his experteze might be
needed on landing or have him let the qualified CP fly enroute (most
CP's love and fight to get stick time) and he dozed off?

Sounds to me like a no brainer.


Big John



You would have people use logic but emotion rules, not logic.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

RobertR237 wrote:

In article , Big John
writes:


Without getting into dirty details and War Stories, I concur.

If asked, I wonder if the passengers would have rather had the Capt
awake on cruise portion of trip and tired when his experteze might be
needed on landing or have him let the qualified CP fly enroute (most
CP's love and fight to get stick time) and he dozed off?

Sounds to me like a no brainer.


Big John



You would have people use logic but emotion rules, not logic.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Not on TV, Robert.
Especially not on the news...

In article ,
RobertR237 wrote:
In article , Kyler Laird
writes:


Then lets eliminate the required second crew member, if he is not really
needed, and save the labor expense.

How do you eliminate a second crew member for enroute only?

--kyler



Just like ships at sea do when they pickup the harbor pilot, they stop and wait
for the pilot to come on board. BFG

Wasn't it "Airport 77" where they delivered a pilot to the plane, _in_flight_?
snicker

In article ,
BRUCE FRANK wrote:
I thought there actually was a regulation in which pilots, at least on some
long flights, were allowed to nap with the copilot in control. I am
surprised that anyone thinks this a big deal particularly in this day when
there are public service ads that advocate power naps for drivers to stay
sharp. Since a plane cannot pull into a road side rest area, turn it over to
the copilot and catch 40 winks! Is the copilot not qualified to fly the
plane?

On some _really_ long over-water commercial flights, they carry a complete
relief cockpit crew.

Do you think CNN wold send out a camera crew for my first flight?