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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message


I have no quarrel with my employer (after all, I'm self employed),
so if the freedom to impunge my employer were taken away from me, it
wouldn't affect my daily life. But I think it's an important
freedom, and part of what makes this country great.

In most corporations bad mouthing the corporation is grounds for
immediate termination as is insubordination. There is no such
freedom as you have described it.

Sure there is. Every US citizen has the right to express their displeasure
with or ridicule their employer. Nobody is taking that freedom away from
them.

On the other hand, there is nothing forcing the employer to employ an
individaul who obviously doens't want the job being offered.

"Freedom" cuts both ways in this case.

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On 2006-09-20, Jay Honeck wrote:
large, very dumb corporations. If any further evidence of the need to
privatize the FAA is necessary, I will be very surprised.

I fail to see how privatization will fix the problem.

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large, very dumb corporations. If any further evidence of the need to
privatize the FAA is necessary, I will be very surprised.

I fail to see how privatization will fix the problem.

Because in a private company, without all the ridiculous "work rules"
that Federal employees can currently hide behind, insubordinate
employees can be effectively weeded out.

As it stands now, FAA management is obviously nothing but a paper
tiger. As an American taxpayer, I feel that this needs to change --
and I don't see any way for that to happen inside the Federal
government.

I wish it were otherwise, because I truly do believe that ATC should be
a governmental responsibility.
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Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck writes:

Because in a private company, without all the ridiculous "work rules"
that Federal employees can currently hide behind, insubordinate
employees can be effectively weeded out.

In a private company with a monopoly, prices can be raised and quality
can be lowered with impunity. Never privatize a monopoly.

I wish it were otherwise, because I truly do believe that ATC should be
a governmental responsibility.

I agree. Privatization would be a disaster. At least the government
has public interest in mind, instead of profit.

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I agree. Privatization would be a disaster. At least the government
has public interest in mind, instead of profit.

!!!!!!????

I'd like to know what planet you're living on, because the one I
inhabit has NO government employees who aren't interested in profit.
At least I haven't met one, yet.

Thankfully, here in America the tradition of direct bribery and/or
extortion by government officials has never taken root -- but in some
cases I would actually prefer such a sharply defined method of doing
business. At least you'd know where you stood with people like that.

And I've met darned few government employees who have the "public
interest" in mind, now that I think about it. All they're interested
in is "procedure", "protocol", and their "pension" -- not necessarily
in that order -- and common sense and practicality be damned.

I could give you dozens of examples of what I'm talking about, but this
gets repetitive.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Mxsmanic,

At least the government
has public interest in mind, instead of profit.


Name one government that works that way. Would be news to me.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

In article .com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Because in a private company, without all the ridiculous "work rules"
that Federal employees can currently hide behind, insubordinate
employees can be effectively weeded out.

Bear in mind that firing someone can be very difficult even in
private companies without any unions to deal with.

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Bob Noel
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lawyers will hate

Bear in mind that firing someone can be very difficult even in
private companies without any unions to deal with.

I know. I've worked inside some big 'uns, and I've had to fire people
that were clearly incompetent (and in one case, downright dangerous) --
and it took more paperwork than an ADIZ violation.

But at least you can do it. Most of our friends are government
employees, and we hear stories all the time about employees who sleep
at their desks, or don't come in at all, and are never disciplined in
any way. One of their favorite jokes to tell is that they could kill
someone, and -- as long as it occurred on the job -- they would only
receive "anger counseling"...

The bureaucracy -- the part of our government that is REALLY in charge,
and survives untouched from election to election -- is a real mess, and
each of us pays for it every day.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Because in a private company, without all the ridiculous "work rules"
that Federal employees can currently hide behind, insubordinate
employees can be effectively weeded out.

Bear in mind that firing someone can be very difficult even in
private companies without any unions to deal with.

If the person is in a protected class (handicapped, minority), yes.


Keep in mind, too, that just 42 Federal employees (outside the military)
were fired in 2002 (last year I saw stats) and of those, quite a few were
for issues outside of work (i.e., being in jail for other offenses and
unable to come to work for a few months/years).

In 2004, the state of Colorado fired ONE person, though this year at least
they fired Ward Churchill.


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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO (MTJ)

"Jay Honeck" wrote in news:1158852986.770803.114910
@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com:

large, very dumb corporations. If any further evidence of the need to
privatize the FAA is necessary, I will be very surprised.

I fail to see how privatization will fix the problem.

Because in a private company, without all the ridiculous "work rules"
that Federal employees can currently hide behind, insubordinate
employees can be effectively weeded out.

As it stands now, FAA management is obviously nothing but a paper
tiger. As an American taxpayer, I feel that this needs to change --
and I don't see any way for that to happen inside the Federal
government.

I wish it were otherwise, because I truly do believe that ATC should be
a governmental responsibility.

Big corporations are often just as political as the government.

Privatization isn't the answer.

Leadership is.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of big problems that our current leadership
has sunk this country into, and so the REAL problems of the FAA won't take
priority for a LONG time.