Companies Allowing Employees to Fly

In article .com,
"Steve - KDMW" wrote:

Question...

I have to do a lot of regional travel for my company and, due to the
work we do, most of my work is actually at airports. I've asked my
company if I can use my personal aircraft for a lot of this travel and
they denied my request due to what the company percieves as their
liability in the matter.

Is my company misguided or do they really have some liability if I use
my airplane instead of my car for regional travel? What's the
difference between me crashing my airplane into a school (their
example) or plowing my car into the same school's bus stop?

fwiw, the MITRE corporation does allow the use of small aircraft.
Prior permission is required (at some Officer level) and naming
the company on your insurance (of at least $1,000,000). I've only
been able to arrange to use an airplane 4 times for business travel
(the first three before I owned my airplane).

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Steve - KDMW" wrote in message oups.com...
: Question...
:
: I have to do a lot of regional travel for my company and, due to the
: work we do, most of my work is actually at airports. I've asked my
: company if I can use my personal aircraft for a lot of this travel and
: they denied my request due to what the company percieves as their
: liability in the matter.
:
: Is my company misguided or do they really have some liability if I use
: my airplane instead of my car for regional travel? What's the
: difference between me crashing my airplane into a school (their
: example) or plowing my car into the same school's bus stop?
:
: Steve
: CP - ASEL/IA
: PA28-151
: N43291
:

The company I work for will not allow use of a personal aircraft for company business. Also, they provide a life
insurance policy for all employees, and you guessed it, it will not pay if you die in a private plane. You can die in a
motorcycle crash, but not a light plane. Makes no sense....

..Blueskies. wrote:

"Steve - KDMW" wrote in message oups.com...
: Question...
:
: I have to do a lot of regional travel for my company and, due to the
: work we do, most of my work is actually at airports. I've asked my
: company if I can use my personal aircraft for a lot of this travel and
: they denied my request due to what the company percieves as their
: liability in the matter.
:
: Is my company misguided or do they really have some liability if I use
: my airplane instead of my car for regional travel? What's the
: difference between me crashing my airplane into a school (their
: example) or plowing my car into the same school's bus stop?
:
: Steve
: CP - ASEL/IA
: PA28-151
: N43291
:

The company I work for will not allow use of a personal aircraft for company business. Also, they provide a life
insurance policy for all employees, and you guessed it, it will not pay if you die in a private plane. You can die in a
motorcycle crash, but not a light plane. Makes no sense....

Of course it does, airplanes are scary, but at least they are not as
scary as my .22 target pistol...

Common sense is not very common in this day and age.

--
Jim Pennino

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When I asked my company if I could use private planes for business travel,
they said no. Then I looked at our policy. There was no exclusion. So I
asked a different question, "show me where it says that your not covered."
The end result is that the company agreed that private plane travel is
sanctioned for business and that our AD&D policy covers it for personal use.
That was many years ago. Since then, they have changed carriers many times
and each time they have received explicit inclusionary clauses. I don't take
credit for it, half of the executives either use or own private aircraft.

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Travis
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PWK

On 7 Nov 2006 05:34:37 -0800, "Steve - KDMW"
wrote:

Is my company misguided or do they really have some liability if I use
my airplane instead of my car for regional travel? What's the
difference between me crashing my airplane into a school (their
example) or plowing my car into the same school's bus stop?


Thanks for the post, and everyone who responded. This came up for me
a couple months ago and the company paid $1,000 for me to fly
commercial when it would have cost only about $300 for me to fly
myself. I was pretty frustrated and have been wondering why they
would exclude use of personal aircraft ever since.

This thread has given me some insight as to why.

z

Long ago in a Galaxy Far, Far Away...when I worked for Boeing (and it
really wasn't that long ago) we had to take 15 employees (2 managers and
the rest engineers) on a trip to meet customers. Our in-house travel
agency couldn't figure out what was going on, since we had to change
the dates repeatedly over the 2 month period. I finally took over
all the planning (logistics - no big deal, I ran it as if it was an
engineering project!)

On a lark, I called Seattle and asked about "borrowing" one of the
jets that the Executives use. Turns out that yes, we could make
arrangements and use it at the same billed cost as the execs. The
overall cost would have been 50% *cheaper* than flying commercial.
Why? Because due to the changing schedule, we had to pay full-fare in
order to mitigate changing the flights.

For some strange reason, my boss was *not* surprised I did this, but
would not take it to our director (just under the VP level).

Bummer.

"Blanche" wrote in message ...
: Long ago in a Galaxy Far, Far Away...when I worked for Boeing (and it
: really wasn't that long ago) we had to take 15 employees (2 managers and
: the rest engineers) on a trip to meet customers. Our in-house travel
: agency couldn't figure out what was going on, since we had to change
: the dates repeatedly over the 2 month period. I finally took over
: all the planning (logistics - no big deal, I ran it as if it was an
: engineering project!)
:
: On a lark, I called Seattle and asked about "borrowing" one of the
: jets that the Executives use. Turns out that yes, we could make
: arrangements and use it at the same billed cost as the execs. The
: overall cost would have been 50% *cheaper* than flying commercial.
: Why? Because due to the changing schedule, we had to pay full-fare in
: order to mitigate changing the flights.
:
: For some strange reason, my boss was *not* surprised I did this, but
: would not take it to our director (just under the VP level).
:
: Bummer.

Any employee in our company can try to book a flight on the company jets. There is even a rudimentary reservation
system. The catch is that there has to be enough demand locally and the planes need to be passing by. Sounds good until
you actually try to use it. Imagine, the CEO is on board, but we are going to stop by Kalamazoo to pick up a design
engineer that needs to go to Cleveland...

..Blueskies. wrote:
"Blanche" wrote in message ...
: Long ago in a Galaxy Far, Far Away...when I worked for Boeing (and it
: really wasn't that long ago) we had to take 15 employees (2 managers and
: the rest engineers) on a trip to meet customers. Our in-house travel
: agency couldn't figure out what was going on, since we had to change
: the dates repeatedly over the 2 month period. I finally took over
: all the planning (logistics - no big deal, I ran it as if it was an
: engineering project!)
:
: On a lark, I called Seattle and asked about "borrowing" one of the
: jets that the Executives use. Turns out that yes, we could make
: arrangements and use it at the same billed cost as the execs. The
: overall cost would have been 50% *cheaper* than flying commercial.
: Why? Because due to the changing schedule, we had to pay full-fare in
: order to mitigate changing the flights.
:
: For some strange reason, my boss was *not* surprised I did this, but
: would not take it to our director (just under the VP level).
:
: Bummer.

Any employee in our company can try to book a flight on the company jets. There is even a rudimentary reservation
system. The catch is that there has to be enough demand locally and the planes need to be passing by. Sounds good until
you actually try to use it. Imagine, the CEO is on board, but we are going to stop by Kalamazoo to pick up a design
engineer that needs to go to Cleveland...


I used to work for General Dynamics and when there was a group of 10 or
so who had to go from San Diego to LA for a evening meeting of a Tech
Society we were able to use a corporate aircraft for it. This was long
before I started flying and I did not know the benefits of GA but it a
no brainer for this flight as we all worked a full day, flew up for the
meeting and returned that night. All we had to do was submit the
request and have the various sign offs but it worked well for us. This
was in the 80s so who knows what the process would be now.

Up until the Compaq merger, Hewlett-Packard used to have an "employee
pilot" program. Some of the requirements were pretty stiff (time, annual
checkride with the company chief pilot, high insurance liability
coverage) and were designed to discourage VFR weekend pilots from using
their aircraft for business trips. Nevertheless, it was a reasonable
program for semi-professional pilots.

Since the influx of the Compaq management however, that program has been
completely cancelled. Even though being lobbied to re-authorize the
program, HP's current management has turned a deaf ear.


-----Original Message-----
From: .Blueskies. ]
Posted At: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:28 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.owning
Conversation: Companies Allowing Employees to Fly
Subject: Companies Allowing Employees to Fly


"Blanche" wrote in message
...
: Long ago in a Galaxy Far, Far Away...when I worked for Boeing (and
it
: really wasn't that long ago) we had to take 15 employees (2 managers
and
: the rest engineers) on a trip to meet customers. Our in-house travel
: agency couldn't figure out what was going on, since we had to change
: the dates repeatedly over the 2 month period. I finally took over
: all the planning (logistics - no big deal, I ran it as if it was an
: engineering project!)
:
: On a lark, I called Seattle and asked about "borrowing" one of the
: jets that the Executives use. Turns out that yes, we could make
: arrangements and use it at the same billed cost as the execs. The
: overall cost would have been 50% *cheaper* than flying commercial.
: Why? Because due to the changing schedule, we had to pay full-fare
in
: order to mitigate changing the flights.
:
: For some strange reason, my boss was *not* surprised I did this, but
: would not take it to our director (just under the VP level).
:
: Bummer.

Any employee in our company can try to book a flight on the company
jets.
There is even a rudimentary reservation
system. The catch is that there has to be enough demand locally and
the
planes need to be passing by. Sounds good until
you actually try to use it. Imagine, the CEO is on board, but we are
going
to stop by Kalamazoo to pick up a design
engineer that needs to go to Cleveland...

On 7 Nov 2006 05:34:37 -0800, "Steve - KDMW"
wrote:

Question...

I have to do a lot of regional travel for my company and, due to the
work we do, most of my work is actually at airports. I've asked my
company if I can use my personal aircraft for a lot of this travel and
they denied my request due to what the company percieves as their
liability in the matter.

Is my company misguided or do they really have some liability if I use
my airplane instead of my car for regional travel? What's the

I worked for a large multi national chemical corporation. We had Two
jets and a turboprop. When it came to flying on a business for
themselves even the pilots were not allowed to serve as crew in any
capacity.

difference between me crashing my airplane into a school (their
example) or plowing my car into the same school's bus stop?

Company lawyers and insurance companies is the difference.
Plus airplanes are a much higher profile than cars. We accept
multi-car pileups as just the cost of doing business. The public
would be and usually is, up in arms when a small plane hits the free
way if there is an altercation between the plane and someone's car.



Steve
CP - ASEL/IA
PA28-151
N43291
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com