Some flying vids I made...

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I've been posting on this newsgroup off and on for longer than most
people here. Not always the same email, but I've been on here since
around 1996. Even with my current email, this was not my first post
on here. This goes back to 2005 with plenty of posts to indicate I am
a real pilot. Go ahead and check, it takes all of 10 secs through
google groups. I've even met other members on here in person.

I didn't recognize you, by e-mail address, or by sig line. (since you don't
have one)

Perhaps you should add a easily reconizeable sig line, that you will be
recognized by, no mater the sending addy...

Threatening him? Why are you saying that?

You wrote:

Email me and let's talk. I recommend you do so, as I am certainly
going to track you through your blog and have a chat with you.

Sure sounds threatening, to me. "recommend you do so?" Recommend, or what,
get an *ss beating? "Track," as in find out where he lives, so you can go
give him an *ss beating? "Chat," as in what, give him an *ss beating?

Sorry, but it is all bully talk, to me.

I haven't done a damn thing wrong and I don't see how you can defend
him.

Hold the phone. I gave an explanation, as to why he could make a mistake,
like that. It was a mistake, and a serious breech of etiquette. As to what
you did wrong, I guess it is a matter of perspective. I'm sure you believe
you did nothing wrong, but that is not my view.

Did you read this following line that _I_ posted?

Me: Making that kind of threat is as unacceptable of a behavior, as was him
posting all of your info.

See? I compared your threats (serious, in my eyes) with him posting your
info. BOTH bad things, IMHO. I did NOT support him.

I have to admit, the first thing I thought as I watched the video, and
before the nasty exchanges was, "I wonder if this guy was filed IFR, or not.
I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.

I sure did not remember you, and if I had, I wouldn't remember if you were
rated. "I" would not have posted anything, in rebuttal, and would not have
posted your info.

Can I make a suggestion, to you, and any other people showing flying of an
IFR or unusual or risky type?

Diffuse the possible criticisms by the pessimistic, by including in the
title something like, "pretty puffy clouds on enjoyable IFR flight," or "Fun
flight of rolls and loops, done by the book." You get the idea. If not all
in the title, a disclaimer in the text would certainly not be overkill, when
you think of all the other misinformation that has been going on around
here, lately.

A little up-front honesty and full information would be a breath of fresh
air.

I'm done with this subject, for now. Go on with it if you must, but I have
spoken my peace.

My intent was to not defend, but in a way, point out how that trolls damage
the atmosphere of a group. Almost like the terrorist destroys our freedom,
by increasing paranoia.

The damage done by MX and by other trolls is pervasive, and real. Witness
all of this, as an example of the damage done.

Blue skies to you, (and IFR too, when you want to!) g
--
Jim in NC

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:18:32 -0000, Jim Logajan
wrote in :

As I read it, Kraus unequivocally stated Trask committed several
crimes ("he broke a few FAR's").

Wouldn't those be better characterized as 'violations?'

"Morgans" wrote in message
news


You wrote:

Email me and let's talk. I recommend you do so, as I am certainly
going to track you through your blog and have a chat with you.

Sure sounds threatening, to me.

Keee'rist, you're dumber than a bag of rocks yourself!!

On Jan 29, 8:31 pm, "Morgans" wrote:

See? I compared your threats (serious, in my eyes) with him posting your
info. BOTH bad things, IMHO. I did NOT support him.

I have to admit, the first thing I thought as I watched the video, and
before the nasty exchanges was, "I wonder if this guy was filed IFR, or not.
I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.


Jim,

I never made any physical threats against him. Just because you are
reading into something and making your own intrepretations about it
doesn't make it so. Serious in your eyes? Well that's your own
problem. I never made a threat, I said I will be talking (or
chatting) to him - which I did. We exchanged several emails and I
never made any threats there either. Ask your buddy Kraus. He called
me names during our email exchange, but I was polite yet firm
regarding my feelings on what he did. If he says otherwise I will
gladly send you or anybody else an email dump to see for yourself.

I've seen a lot of IMC videos, and I can't say the same thought
crosses my mind regarding illegal IFR flying. In fact, out of
probably hundreds of videos I've seen on youtube and flightlevel350, I
can't recall seeing anybody flying around in IMC illegaly. Perhaps
you have 1-2 examples, but I bet you don't have that many. I have
seen other stupid antics on some vids, but they speak for themselves
and are few in number. Really I think it's silly to have to make a
disclaimer on some posted videos. What next? Do we have to tell you
we have parachutes on during so acro vids? Or maybe tell you we got a
wx briefing from FSS? It all reeks of ineffective political
correctness.

Though I've been on this newsgroup by far the longest, I am also on
several other different forums, including AOPA, studentpilot.com,
flightinfo.com, and jetcareers.com. I find myself MUCH more active on
those groups due to what I perceive as an "old boys club" mentality
here. I've always had the feeling here that certain people feel like
this is their personal newsgroup. It's not, it is a public,
unmoderated newsgroup. If you don't like that, go make up your own.
Otherwise just deal with the fact that people may post some videos
without disclaimers, mxmanic will ask questions about 747 hydraulics
on his simulator, and skylune will rant about Boyer. And I do not
have a sig because I use google groups.

That said, I have always enjoyed this newsgroup and most of the people
that post. Every place has its problems, but the good outweighs the
bad here (most of the time anyway).

Sam

On 30 Jan 2007 07:09:23 -0800, wrote in
.com:

Just because you are reading into something and making your
own intrepretations about it doesn't make it so.

That is an astute observation. It could equally be said of your
inference of Mr. Kraus's initial comment, and many others I have
observed over the years.

It's surprising how personal viewpoint, sensitivities and
defensiveness shape our perspectives, and comprehension of the
authors' intended meaning. Personally, I strive to overcome such
personal bias by overlooking any perceived malice that lacks a
concrete and undeniably apparent intent to offend. But, alas, I am
human too....

Responding cordially to questionable comments permits the author of
them to elaborate on their viewpoint, and remove some of the doubt in
subsequent follow up articles.

Mr McNicoll was notorious for pursuing this 'give 'em enough rope'
rhetorical device to the point of absurdity. But it was effective in
providing a forum for the offending author to dig his hole deeper and
deeper without resorting to blatant confrontation.

Morgans wrote:


wrote

Email me and let's talk. I recommend you do so, as I am certainly
going to track you through your blog and have a chat with you.


Sure sounds threatening, to me. "recommend you do so?" Recommend, or
what, get an *ss beating? "Track," as in find out where he lives, so
you can go give him an *ss beating? "Chat," as in what, give him an *ss
beating?

Having a chat is threatening? And equating chat with physical violence
is a huge stretch. I guess you are getting paranoid in your old age... :-)

Matt

The footage was taken during my trip last month from Colorado to FL
and back in a C172 (yeah, I'm a masochist):

Fluffy little clouds:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZJsasteE9k

Blues:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxULCYqvGpY

Lost in all the pointless bluster of this thread seems to be the fact
that these are really great videos. Thanks for posting 'em, Sam!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Jan 31, 8:48 am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
Lost in all the pointless bluster of this thread seems to be the fact
that these are really great videos. Thanks for posting 'em, Sam!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Thanks Jay! I really enjoyed making them.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Lost in all the pointless bluster of this thread seems to be the fact
that these are really great videos. Thanks for posting 'em, Sam!
--

You've got that right!

I can't believe I read the whole thing.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Lost in all the pointless bluster of this thread seems to be the fact
that these are really great videos.

Amen