An Open Apology to R.A.P.

"Casey Wilson" wrote

I sat in the shadows for a long time attempting to ignore the resident
troll, hoping against all odds that he would go away. When I could no
longer restrain myself, I started feeding the troll against my better
judgement.

I think your warnings added onto his posts are just what is needed.

Stick around, and don't change a thing.

I am hopeful that the tide is turning.
--
Jim in NC

On Feb 10, 8:38 pm, "Casey Wilson" wrote:
I sat in the shadows for a long time attempting to ignore the resident
troll, hoping against all odds that he would go away. When I could no longer
restrain myself, I started feeding the troll against my better judgement.
It is apparent that I have done nothing constructive in that regard and,
in my attempts, have probably offended a number of you whom I consider to be
excellent aviators, if not going as far as alienating some of you as well.
I earned my PP ASEL in 1975 and have never stopped learning. Along the
way, I have written more than a few aviation related articles published in
both regional and national magazines. I've made my bones and I've earned my
airman's title and the right to comment on matters of aviation - when I have
something to contribute or need your learned experience. It simply galls me
that someone like Mxsmanic can violate our treasured status day in and day
out and continue to survive, even thrive.

I realized today that I have been recently scanning down through the
posts on R.A.P. not to learn something new, but instead to find out what
kind of spew the troll is serving up. I feel I owe the rest of my real
flying colleagues an apology. For that reason and that reason alone, I am
going to retire from the newsgroup. My biggest regret is that Msxmanic will
undoubtedly, in his maniacal way, gloat over having won.

With apologies and regrets,

Casey Wilson
PP ASEL
Freelance Writer
and Photographer

P.S. - Mxsmanic is NOT a pilot, has NEVER flown an aircraft and is NOT
qualified to
issue competent information regarding any aspect of the operation of any
aircraft.

I hope groups like GNAA and other troll organizations never catch wind
of this place. Trolling you people is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Mxsmaniac isn't even explicitly trolling, for christ sake. He's just
trying to discuss. I don't even want to THINK of what kind of
monumental collective butthurt will arise from this group if even just
ONE real troll came here.

"buttman" wrote in message
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On Feb 10, 8:38 pm, "Casey Wilson" wrote:
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I hope groups like GNAA and other troll organizations never catch wind
of this place. Trolling you people is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Mxsmaniac isn't even explicitly trolling, for christ sake. He's just
trying to discuss.

Bull****.

Al G

I hope groups like GNAA and other troll organizations never catch wind
of this place. Trolling you people is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Mxsmaniac isn't even explicitly trolling, for christ sake. He's just
trying to discuss.

Bull****.

You know, you guys really need to lighten up. Remember when Skylune
was flying off in every direction, hot and heavy? People were beside
themselves trying to shut him down, and keep him quiet.

I took another tack, and engaged with him. We talked politics, he
opened up and started talking about his days when he took flight
lessons. He turned out to be an okay guy, just ****ed off at some
doofus who kept over-flying his house. He's now a regular here, and
often contributes valuable input to this group.

MX isn't a bad sort, and he *is* trying to discuss aviation. He's
coming 'round to see that -- when posting on a pilot's group -- he has
to explicitly state that he's talking about sim experience. And he
has iniated some very interesting threads -- which is more than I can
say about a lot of the folks who are trash-talking him.

Diplomacy is the art of the possible. I suggest we all try it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Diplomacy is the art of the possible. I suggest we all try it.

Different animal, here.

You couldn't be more wrong.

You will be part of our downfall, Jay.

Jim - out

On Feb 12, 8:26 pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

Diplomacy is the art of the possible. I suggest we all try it.

BEEN THERE, TRIED IT, DONE IT.

Doesn't work.....

Allen

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
You know, you guys really need to lighten up.

For what little it is worth, I agree with you.

I first encountered Usenet/netnews back in 1988. And I've had the (mis)
fortune to moderate several Usenet newsgroups. I've also been (and still
am) on a fair number of e-mail lists and Web forums. It is my humble
observation that you will find people with characteristics that are
annoying on any online forum. Hell, anyone with any social interaction will
find annoying characters in face-to-face encounters. At least in real life
they have to go home (unless the person annoying you is the bartender or
barber - then you go home or find a new place to socialize).

If your personality is one that demands control of your environment, I
think you will eventually find enormous frustration in any online forum.
The solution to the one's angst in these cases isn't externally caused, it
is internal.

So my humble suggestion is to do the Zen-sort-of-thing and "lighten up."
Are you masters of your own emotional state or not?

I, Jim Logajan wrote:
The solution to the one's angst in these cases isn't externally
caused, it is internal.

That's incomprehensible even to me! :-)

Fortunately I wrote it on a forum where someone is bound to tell me what I
was trying to say. ;-)

Hell, anyone with any social interaction will
find annoying characters in face-to-face encounters. At least in real life
they have to go home (unless the person annoying you is the bartender or
barber - then you go home or find a new place to socialize).

Maybe that's why I don't find MX so bothersome -- I deal with every
possible aspect of humanity, from the poorest of the poor, to the
wealthiest of the rich, every single day. I did it for years in
newspapers, and I've done it for almost five years in the hotel.

We all know the world is full of idiots -- but it's also full of
wonderful people. I started enjoying life a lot more when I realized
that often they were the same people -- it's just up to us to see
it.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm no pollyanna. I've physically escorted some
very annoying people from the hotel, and I won't hesitate to charge
someone for damaging my towels. But I will also listen to almost any
story you want to tell me, and will welcome any suggestion you'd like
to make, or input you may have. It's called being nice, and I guess
those of us who were raised in the Midwest are just that way.

There are so many more truly annoying people -- here, and in the real
world -- that I honestly wouldn't have noticed MX, were it not for all
the hoopla about him. IMHO, he is just a lonely guy sitting 10,000
miles away, conversing about flying. If you don't like him, fine, but
to make a big deal out of him is just...silly.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I hope groups like GNAA and other troll organizations never catch wind
of this place. Trolling you people is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Mxsmaniac isn't even explicitly trolling, for christ sake. He's just
trying to discuss.

Bull****.

You know, you guys really need to lighten up. Remember when Skylune
was flying off in every direction, hot and heavy? People were beside
themselves trying to shut him down, and keep him quiet.

I took another tack, and engaged with him. We talked politics, he
opened up and started talking about his days when he took flight
lessons. He turned out to be an okay guy, just ****ed off at some
doofus who kept over-flying his house. He's now a regular here, and
often contributes valuable input to this group.

MX isn't a bad sort, and he *is* trying to discuss aviation. He's
coming 'round to see that -- when posting on a pilot's group -- he has
to explicitly state that he's talking about sim experience. And he
has iniated some very interesting threads -- which is more than I can
say about a lot of the folks who are trash-talking him.

Diplomacy is the art of the possible. I suggest we all try it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Hi Jay,

I respectfully disagree. He isn't trying to discuss aviation. He asks a
seemingly reasonable question, gets an honest answer from someone who has
been there, and done it, and then flat out states that he knows the answer
is wrong. No discussion. No evidence to support his position. No reasons why
he feels everyone with experience is "lying" to him.

The pitch vs. power controls airspeed is a good example. He led off with
a pre-solo student question, and when someone gave him a very reasonable and
slightly simplified answer, he jumped right back with "what if I'm behind
the power curve?". Well, if he knows what a power curve is, and how you get
behind it, he knows enough that the first question made no sense. The
original question was no more than an opening serve. It was bait.

No need to "Lighten up", because "Frankly scarlet I don't give a damn".
He may grow up to be a reasonable person, most teenagers do. But in the
meantime they are a PITA, and again I am speaking from experience.
Diplomacy is based on some form of mutual respect, and he has demonstrated
no respect for the professionals who have attempted to offer him free dual
and the benefit of REAL experience. I am a CFI and have been "Teaching pigs
to sing" longer than he has been alive. He wouldn't know a pearl of wisdom
if he choked on it. No big rip, I plunked him a long time ago, but I still
carry my big red "Bull****" stamp.

On the other hand, I have really enjoyed your contribution to this
group. There are a number of people that get sorted to the top of my "must
read" list. I used to live in Reno, and your account of your trip to the air
races was priceless. I could see the terrain between Winnemucca and Elko
while I was reading your story. You seem to have the talent to draw a
picture with words. If I ever get East of the Rockies, I'll stop by.

Al G