Are Planes taking off in Thunderstorms normal?

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Morgans writes:

So under those qualifications, yes, they take off and land with
thunderstorms in the area, all of the time.

"Thunderstorms in the area" and "into thunderstorms" are two different
things.


Like you'd know the difference, fjukktard.

Bertie

You don't seem to know **** about anything, Butt Munch.

Morgans wrote
All good links, but do your really think that ATC released him to fly
straight into a t-storm? I don't,

Jim, it's about time that someone told you that Mxsmanic seems
to understand a hell-of-a-lot more about what really happens in
jet transport aircraft than you do. You are just looking the fool
in your attempts to rebut his posts.

I find his questions very well thought-out and his answers to
other's questions well researched.

BTW, ATC will gladly release an aircraft into any weather that
the pilot wishes provided that the airport has not been closed.

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-727 L-188
CFII
Naval Aviator, S-2F P-2V P-3B

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in
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On May 5, 5:10 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Aircraft normally wait for thunderstorms to pass before taking
off. No aircraft is safe in a thunderstorm.

So most likely the Kenya Airways flight didn't follow procedure or
receive clearance?

Hard to say not knowing the exact situation, but in my opinion, only
a pilot with a death wish accepts a takeoff clearance in the middle
of a thunderstorm.

It doesn't neceesarily follow that he took off in the middle of a
CB...

I agree. To do that would have been against all my sense of logic
anyway. Stranger things have happened, and pilots do indeed from time
to time push weather for one reason or another but I'd hate to second
guess this poor guy at this point. It's been my experience that what
appears almost certain immediately after these things seldom carries
through the investigation.

Precisely. I've flown in that part of the world quite a lot and the CBs
have to be seen to be believed. I've been at 310 and had the tops
further away than the bottoms as often as not. The size of them is also
astonishing and seeing into a large, tight group of cells is next to
impossible, even with the best radar. It's hard work but it has to be
done or you're on the ground for the best part of six months there.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Morgans writes:

All good links, but do your really think that ATC released him to fly
straight into a t-storm?

The pilot is ultimately the boss. If his actions are not contrary to
the safety of other flights, ATC really has no reason not to release
him. See Jessica Dubroff's adventure for an example.

We all know that T-storms can take down a plane.

I dunno. Some people seem unwilling to believe that without
"evidence."

You're an idiot, wannabe terrorist boi.

Bertie

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On May 5, 5:10 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Aircraft normally wait for thunderstorms to pass before taking
off. No aircraft is safe in a thunderstorm.

So most likely the Kenya Airways flight didn't follow procedure or
receive clearance?

Hard to say not knowing the exact situation, but in my opinion, only
a pilot with a death wish accepts a takeoff clearance in the middle
of a thunderstorm.

It doesn't neceesarily follow that he took off in the middle of a
CB...

I agree. To do that would have been against all my sense of logic
anyway. Stranger things have happened, and pilots do indeed from time
to time push weather for one reason or another but I'd hate to second
guess this poor guy at this point. It's been my experience that what
appears almost certain immediately after these things seldom carries
through the investigation.

Precisely. I've flown in that part of the world quite a lot and the CBs
have to be seen to be believed. I've been at 310 and had the tops
further away than the bottoms as often as not. The size of them is also
astonishing and seeing into a large, tight group of cells is next to
impossible, even with the best radar. It's hard work but it has to be
done or you're on the ground for the best part of six months there.

Bertie

Reminds me of an old story I heard once that was going around UAL for
awhile;

A major airline hired a new first officer right out of post graduate school
and stuck him in the right seat of a 737 with a crusty old Captain who came
up through the ranks after dropping out of high school.
On their first flight together, the Captain told the first officer to just
sit back and watch and do absolutely nothing.
The Captain took off, climbed to FL 360 as filed and leveled off. He set the
autopilot and inertial nav for waypoints and told the first officer that he
was going to take a nap. The first officer was to touch nothing.......do
nothing! Under NO circumstances, was he to disturb the Captain.
The Captain went to sleep.
The first officer sat there watching the panel. After a while he noticed on
the weather radar a HUGE storm ahead directly in the path of the airplane.
He watched with interest and gathering alarm as the storm got closer and
closer.
At about twenty miles, the storm looked absolutely frightening; the biggest
thing he had ever seen in his life. He just stared at it on the screen while
he pondered the Captain's request not to be disturbed for any reason.
Finally, fearing that if a course correction wasn't made immediately, the
storm would tear the airplane apart, he decided he couldn't wait any longer
to wake the Captain.
"Captain.......Captain" he said, "wake up sir...look at this!! It's my
sincere recommendation sir, that we circumnavigate that storm
immediately!!!!!!!!!!!"
The Captain awoke in a start and took one look at the radar screen;
"Circumnavigate my ass!!!!!!. We're goin AROUND that son-of-a-bitch!!!!!"

Dudley Henriques

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On May 5, 5:10 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Aircraft normally wait for thunderstorms to pass before taking
off. No aircraft is safe in a thunderstorm.
So most likely the Kenya Airways flight didn't follow procedure or
receive clearance?
Hard to say not knowing the exact situation, but in my opinion, only
a pilot with a death wish accepts a takeoff clearance in the middle
of a thunderstorm.
It doesn't neceesarily follow that he took off in the middle of a
CB...
I agree. To do that would have been against all my sense of logic
anyway. Stranger things have happened, and pilots do indeed from time
to time push weather for one reason or another but I'd hate to second
guess this poor guy at this point. It's been my experience that what
appears almost certain immediately after these things seldom carries
through the investigation.
Precisely. I've flown in that part of the world quite a lot and the CBs
have to be seen to be believed. I've been at 310 and had the tops
further away than the bottoms as often as not. The size of them is also
astonishing and seeing into a large, tight group of cells is next to
impossible, even with the best radar. It's hard work but it has to be
done or you're on the ground for the best part of six months there.

Bertie

Reminds me of an old story I heard once that was going around UAL for
awhile;

A major airline hired a new first officer right out of post graduate school
and stuck him in the right seat of a 737 with a crusty old Captain who came
up through the ranks after dropping out of high school.
On their first flight together, the Captain told the first officer to just
sit back and watch and do absolutely nothing.
The Captain took off, climbed to FL 360 as filed and leveled off. He set the
autopilot and inertial nav for waypoints and told the first officer that he
was going to take a nap. The first officer was to touch nothing.......do
nothing! Under NO circumstances, was he to disturb the Captain.
The Captain went to sleep.
The first officer sat there watching the panel. After a while he noticed on
the weather radar a HUGE storm ahead directly in the path of the airplane.
He watched with interest and gathering alarm as the storm got closer and
closer.
At about twenty miles, the storm looked absolutely frightening; the biggest
thing he had ever seen in his life. He just stared at it on the screen while
he pondered the Captain's request not to be disturbed for any reason.
Finally, fearing that if a course correction wasn't made immediately, the
storm would tear the airplane apart, he decided he couldn't wait any longer
to wake the Captain.
"Captain.......Captain" he said, "wake up sir...look at this!! It's my
sincere recommendation sir, that we circumnavigate that storm
immediately!!!!!!!!!!!"
The Captain awoke in a start and took one look at the radar screen;
"Circumnavigate my ass!!!!!!. We're goin AROUND that son-of-a-bitch!!!!!"

Good one!

I also like the one about the young student flying with the old crusty
WW II veteran instructor. It was the students first flight into a busy
field and the pattern was packed with airplanes. The student was
getting pretty nervous and agitated and asked the instructor if this
wasn't dangerous with all these airplanes so close by. The instructor
looked all around, up and down and slowly said, "Don't worry, son, they
aren't shooting at us."

I guess stress is all relative.

Matt

On 5 May, 22:10, Mxsmanic wrote:
Aircraft normally wait for thunderstorms to pass before taking off. No
aircraft is safe in a thunderstorm.

My last experience was that ATC prioritised landing of aircraft but
prevented take-offs until it had cleared. So there was a large
backlog. It
was emphasised to pax when the pilots (not ATC) were still not
happy to take off as the weather had not completley cleared...
what a bunch of wimps..


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Matt Whiting writes:

I also like the one about the young student flying with the old crusty
WW II veteran instructor. It was the students first flight into a busy
field and the pattern was packed with airplanes. The student was
getting pretty nervous and agitated and asked the instructor if this
wasn't dangerous with all these airplanes so close by. The instructor
looked all around, up and down and slowly said, "Don't worry, son, they
aren't shooting at us."

I guess stress is all relative.

I've read that nighttime carrier landings are actually more stressful than
being shot at.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Matt Whiting writes:


I also like the one about the young student flying with the old crusty
WW II veteran instructor. It was the students first flight into a busy
field and the pattern was packed with airplanes. The student was
getting pretty nervous and agitated and asked the instructor if this
wasn't dangerous with all these airplanes so close by. The instructor
looked all around, up and down and slowly said, "Don't worry, son, they
aren't shooting at us."

I guess stress is all relative.


I've read that nighttime carrier landings are actually more stressful than
being shot at.


Especially if you are a lawyer as well as an aviator and you have night
vision problems.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Matt Whiting writes:

I also like the one about the young student flying with the old
crusty WW II veteran instructor. It was the students first flight
into a busy field and the pattern was packed with airplanes. The
student was getting pretty nervous and agitated and asked the
instructor if this wasn't dangerous with all these airplanes so close
by. The instructor looked all around, up and down and slowly said,
"Don't worry, son, they aren't shooting at us."

I guess stress is all relative.

I've read that nighttime carrier landings are actually more stressful
than being shot at.

You'll never make one so it's irrelevent.

Bertie