For Bertie

Big John wrote:
The most G's I ever pulled in a fighter was 14 (wings stayed on).

Was it because the gear collapsed first? ;-)

Bertie

Was flying with Navy in a F2H3. Mission was a practice Special Weapons
(Atmic Bomb) delivery. Rolled in about 14K, lined up and pickled and
started pull out at 6 G's. Then hit jet wash of bird ahead and my bird
went 'whap' (like ssomeone hit it with a big sledge hamer) and after
getting back straight and level looked at G meter and showed 14 G's.

When landed mechs looked at bird and found loose rivits all over it.

An hour or two later I went in hanger and there were two 'metal
benders' with a ball peen hamer and a backing block. They were going
down each rivit line and when they found a lose rivit, the guy inside
held the metal block against the rivit and the guy out side tapped on
the rivit with the ball peen hamer until it was tight again.

Bird made the next deployment on Yorktown to WestPac and returned all
in one piece.

The Air Force would have class 26'd the bird )

And another War Story ends )

Big John

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On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:15:00 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Big John wrote in
:

Tina

The most G's I ever pulled in a fighter was 14 (wings stayed on).

Jesus Christ!

I had an FO who just told me a horror story about screwing up on a fast
jet not too many years ago. They got near the barber's pole and puled
the speedbrake about 100 knots about the speedbrake limit. The resulting
aerobatics put about 12 on the airframe and trashed it. No G suits in
that airplane either..



Are you now telling me that I have s**t for brains )

Big John
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:25:26 -0700, Tina
wrote:

You know, you guys are giving me some ideas for a peer reviewed paper
dealing with the physics of annoying twits. They seem to attract each
other. What I'm worried about is that twitdom may have a contagious
component -- I, and you, are guilty of responding to them.

FWIW, I would not characterize MX as an idiot: his writing skills
suggest a reasonable intellegence. Besides, if his posts were just
stupid, we'd not respond.

Do you know there's getting to be more and more compelling evidence
that mental pathologies like depression are corrolated to actual
physical changes in the brain? Kind of makes you wonder if some anal
sphinctor stem cells got misdirected upwards. You'd think pilots who
put themselves in circumstances where they experience unusual G loads
would be more prone to migrating stem cells, but we have evidence it
happens to people who sit in a 1 g environment and play flight
simulator.

I need a cup of coffee!

Big John wrote in
:

Bertie

Was flying with Navy in a F2H3. Mission was a practice Special Weapons
(Atmic Bomb) delivery. Rolled in about 14K, lined up and pickled and
started pull out at 6 G's. Then hit jet wash of bird ahead and my bird
went 'whap' (like ssomeone hit it with a big sledge hamer) and after
getting back straight and level looked at G meter and showed 14 G's.

When landed mechs looked at bird and found loose rivits all over it.

An hour or two later I went in hanger and there were two 'metal
benders' with a ball peen hamer and a backing block. They were going
down each rivit line and when they found a lose rivit, the guy inside
held the metal block against the rivit and the guy out side tapped on
the rivit with the ball peen hamer until it was tight again.

Bird made the next deployment on Yorktown to WestPac and returned all
in one piece.

The Air Force would have class 26'd the bird )

And another War Story ends )


Yipes!

I thought I had some good stories!


I've heard the navy actually write off all the airpalnes as they'r
eloaded onto a carrier. If they come back ,it's a bonus..

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Big John wrote in
:

Bertie

Was flying with Navy in a F2H3. Mission was a practice Special Weapons
(Atmic Bomb) delivery. Rolled in about 14K, lined up and pickled and
started pull out at 6 G's. Then hit jet wash of bird ahead and my bird
went 'whap' (like ssomeone hit it with a big sledge hamer) and after
getting back straight and level looked at G meter and showed 14 G's.

When landed mechs looked at bird and found loose rivits all over it.

An hour or two later I went in hanger and there were two 'metal
benders' with a ball peen hamer and a backing block. They were going
down each rivit line and when they found a lose rivit, the guy inside
held the metal block against the rivit and the guy out side tapped on
the rivit with the ball peen hamer until it was tight again.

Bird made the next deployment on Yorktown to WestPac and returned all
in one piece.

The Air Force would have class 26'd the bird )

And another War Story ends )


Yipes!

I thought I had some good stories!


I've heard the navy actually write off all the airpalnes as they'r
eloaded onto a carrier. If they come back ,it's a bonus..

Bertie


It's the old guys like us who HAVE the stories....simply because we've
survived most of them :-))

Sometimes when I actually have the time to sit down and reflect on some
of the absolutely wild crap I've gotten into and out of in my career it
scares the hell out of me :-))

Take my "famous"... (with the family at least) story about the day I
took the horns off a cow with a P51. Now THERE'S a story!!

This story is so good that every year at Thanksgiving when I forget
everybody in the house has heard it a thousand times and trot it out for
the whole table it's met with shouts of enthusiasm and excitement as
they anxiously await every word of it.
"Oh NO!! Not AGAIN!!!!"
"Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"

Yup!!!....they can't WAIT to hear the cow story!


--
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote:

"Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"

Oh, no you don't, Dudley. You're not getting away without telling the cow
story.

But it better not start with "This ain't no bull***t..."


--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote:

"Jeeze,,Holy Cow Hon....not the damn COW story again!!"

Oh, no you don't, Dudley. You're not getting away without telling the cow
story.

But it better not start with "This ain't no bull***t..."



A HA!!! I snagged one!!!.....and my wife told me this old trick I play
on the family each year would NEVER work on the sharp guys on "RAP"

Well, if you INSIST on hearing the cow story and have fallen prey to my
unashamed trolling segue invitation.....here it is.

Please forgive my pasting it in below, but this thing has been bandied
around our family so much I finally made a copy and saved it for email use
:-)

The P51 Cow Story ( Or as it's known around the Henriques household...
"The Dudley's Horny Story"

I remember one time; I was out playing some formation acro with a buddy of

mine out over the boonies. Both of us were flying Mustangs. I usually flew

the wing position when we did this.[ I never told John, but I had this

aversion to having that big Hamilton of his that close up my

butt...especially if we had been out the night before!! :-) ]

Anyway, I'm tucked in on his left wing back and down about twenty feet when

he calls for a 4 g loop. I slide back and inside just enough to get a 45

degree paint between my windshield bow mirror and his left well cover

[the position for a vertical maneuver that keeps me from slicing off his
tail section and bending my prop!! ]

Well, I noticed the altimeter was a bit low

at the maneuver onset, but still within parameters for the loop. John calls

the maneuver and walks us up to 4g's. I'm glued on the paint ; holding

position. You get a peripheral view of the horizon holding a position paint

in formation acro. Without taking my eyes off John, I knew he was long over

the top. On the way down I felt we were long as well. The g didn't feel

right...it wasn't enough! Anyway, I'm beginning now to feel the g building

at a faster rate than I should be feeling......and this ain't good!! We're

past vertical and I can see the ground under his wing. You know that awful

feeling you get when you know you are in too deep? Well I had it right

there!!! You mentally do the math and geometry instantly in these

situations. I could see we were going to make it, but it was going to be

close....damn close!

I could "feel" that we had enough g available to make the recovery arc, but

being low and outside, I was committed lower than John was. He eased us out

with enough room under my airplane to maybe stuff a cornstalk between me
and the

ground. Then I notice we're "in" a field with trees at the end ahead of us.

There, right in front of me is this cow. He was eating grass with his
head way down low. I instantly had the thought flash through my head
that I was low enough that if he raised his head to take a peek at what
was barreling at him at a good 250mph I stood a damn good chance of
taking his horns off with the tips of my prop.

I shouted "Break...Break up!!...Give me some room, quick!!! " John pulls up

just in time for me to miss the cow and go knife edge between two trees
at the end of the

field. I swear, I flew between them left wing down, standing on the right

rudder!

Well, all's well that end's well I guess. I missed the cow, missed the
trees and missed the houses. One could say I REALLY "missed" up!!!


End of stupid Dudley story! Needless to say, we had a few beers that

night while we went over entry altitudes and g profiles for pilots who wish

to live longer lives! :-)))

....................



--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote:
Well, if you INSIST on hearing the cow story and have fallen prey to
my unashamed trolling segue invitation.....here it is.

NO! NOT THAT STORY AGAIN! :-)

Posted on Sep 6, 2001:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...6a1280caa09df7

And again on Jul 6, 2004:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...3926fd29482771

And yet again on Apr 17, 2005:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...5b50ea79cebf7d

One more time Apr 6, 2006:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...cae7d5984c819d

And now today!

I think you'll be forgiven if you post no more than once per year. ;-)

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
Dudley Henriques wrote:
Well, if you INSIST on hearing the cow story and have fallen prey to
my unashamed trolling segue invitation.....here it is.

NO! NOT THAT STORY AGAIN! :-)

Posted on Sep 6, 2001:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...6a1280caa09df7

And again on Jul 6, 2004:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...3926fd29482771

And yet again on Apr 17, 2005:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...5b50ea79cebf7d

One more time Apr 6, 2006:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...cae7d5984c819d

And now today!

I think you'll be forgiven if you post no more than once per year. ;-)

Kinda gettin to be a tradition!

Al G

Jim Logajan wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
Well, if you INSIST on hearing the cow story and have fallen prey to
my unashamed trolling segue invitation.....here it is.

NO! NOT THAT STORY AGAIN! :-)

Posted on Sep 6, 2001:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...6a1280caa09df7

And again on Jul 6, 2004:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...3926fd29482771

And yet again on Apr 17, 2005:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...5b50ea79cebf7d

One more time Apr 6, 2006:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...cae7d5984c819d

And now today!

I think you'll be forgiven if you post no more than once per year. ;-)


Looks like 5 will be the magic number to retire this one for good.


--
Dudley Henriques

"Jim Logajan" wrote:

NO! NOT THAT STORY AGAIN! :-)

My fault; I fell for the trap.

I enjoyed the story, though.

--
Dan

"Hell hath no fury like a noncombatant."
-Mitchell Coffey