Urinalysis Drug Tests

"NW_Pilot" wrote

. Then ask your self who is smart and buy's urine and uses a heat pack or
condom full of clean urin to avoid detection usually the paid class that is
paid more money?

When I have been tested (CDL) they give you a very short period of time to
report for the test, and you never know what day the test will be. You would
have to have your clean specimen ready all the time, and I'm not sure, but I
think they can tell from decomposition factors, if it is fresh or not, and just
being warm is not the only factor involved.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote

Glad I could add a data point for you. My personal feelings would be
legalize pot. Though I'd apply the same workplace and driving rules
on it that are in place for alcohol.

IF you did that, are tests accurate to tell you if the person smoked
last night, or if he had a small amount before he came to work that
morning, and got tested two hours after he got to work that morning?

It just seems like it would be tough to impossible to enforce, to me.

Nope they are not and you are right it is would be a problem. My bet though
is that a mouth swab or some other sort of test to check for estimated time
of use could be developed.

NW_Pilot wrote:


Yea, but if they disclose a prescription for an Opiate they will pass
the test or if they have other prescriptions for other controlled
substances they cannot be claimed positive in a drug test as it's a
legal prescription. I know people that are prescribed THC pill and
Cannabis form and all pass their drug tests are work! Most other
drugs are not even tested for unless it's sent to a lab and
specifically checked. Then ask your self who is smart and buy's urine
and uses a heat pack or condom full of clean urin to avoid detection
usually the paid class that is paid more money?

Yes a prescription for a prescription drug will clear them from a positive
result. What we do though is we require that once the person's prescription
ends they are required take another test. As far as prescribed THC goes I
know it is out there but I've yet to see a prescription for it.

And the using clean pee seldom works. It is either to hot or to cold. We
catch 8 or 9 a year trying to do it. Also, there is random testing after
hire and they never know when that is going to happen.

NW_Pilot wrote:

Most other
drugs are not even tested for unless it's sent to a lab and
specifically checked.


Oh and I forgot to mention we run a 7 panel test and the smallest I know
anyone runs is a 5 panel.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Morgans wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote

Glad I could add a data point for you. My personal feelings would be
legalize pot. Though I'd apply the same workplace and driving rules
on it that are in place for alcohol.

IF you did that, are tests accurate to tell you if the person smoked
last night, or if he had a small amount before he came to work that
morning, and got tested two hours after he got to work that morning?

It just seems like it would be tough to impossible to enforce, to me.

Nope they are not and you are right it is would be a problem. My bet
though is that a mouth swab or some other sort of test to check for
estimated time of use could be developed.

Years ago they were touting a new (at the time) eye movement test, that
would indicate such.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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It just seems like it would be tough to impossible to enforce, to me.

Nope they are not and you are right it is would be a problem. My bet
though is that a mouth swab or some other sort of test to check for
estimated time of use could be developed.

They do mouth swabs in some situations. Apparently (says an industry
source) there's some margin of error; somebody who used that day and would
have failed a UA passed the swab test. This woman worked for a company
that sold a UA test kit, a masking agent to beat that kit, and about six
months after they released thta they released an advanced UA test kit that
detected the masking agent.

Interesting racket.

-c

Gatt wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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It just seems like it would be tough to impossible to enforce, to
me.

Nope they are not and you are right it is would be a problem. My bet
though is that a mouth swab or some other sort of test to check for
estimated time of use could be developed.

They do mouth swabs in some situations. Apparently (says an industry
source) there's some margin of error; somebody who used that day and
would have failed a UA passed the swab test. This woman worked for
a company that sold a UA test kit, a masking agent to beat that kit,
and about six months after they released thta they released an
advanced UA test kit that detected the masking agent.

Interesting racket.

-c

Here's a tip for everyone. NEVER accept one of the quickie tests that the
results show up on the panel on the cup. They are worst than useless. Both
false positives and negatives at about a 30% rate. I bring this up because
of the comments about masking agents like URinLuck. (Gotta love that name.)
A test sent to a proper lab will send back an "adulterated" result almost
everytime.

Slightly off topic: A neurologist at our hospital had a vendetta
against the head of the pathology department... He decided to prove
that our hospital pathology lab was incompetent and by inference the
chief also and obtained urine from his dog and sent it in as
speciment for a patient with some obscure kidney disease diagnosis...

Well, the automated testing machine flagged it as an abnormal, the
tech looked at the print out and couldn't figure a diagnosis and took
it to the chief to make a diagnosis ... The chief took one look at the
results and said that is not human urine... The brown stuff proceeded
to hit the fan from there...

We can tell a lot from urine... We can especially tell when ur in
trouble...

Gatt wrote:


My favorite so far is the guy, iirc, that did a loop near Tacoma Narrows and
fell out.

-c

Seatbelts man...thats what they're for.

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Gatt wrote:


My favorite so far is the guy, iirc, that did a loop near Tacoma
Narrows and fell out.

-c

Seatbelts man...thats what they're for.



Pretty easy to unlatch them doing aerobatics. It's happened to me (back
seat of a Decathlon and the student managed to unlatch my belt with the
stick just before a slow roll) You really need at least a lap belt backup.

Bertie