Plane "sharing" experience?

On Dec 20, 7:15 pm, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way
d0t com wrote:
I don't know that I would agree - Champs and Cubs are good basic aircraft -
you could "upgrade" to a Citabria...

Good points Capt. but IIRC Craig also asked about it being a 4 seater
so his buddies could perhaps fly along with the instructor and learn
from watching... that would rule out most of your suggestions.

Doug

"gliderguynj" wrote in message
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On Dec 20, 7:15 pm, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way
d0t com wrote:
I don't know that I would agree - Champs and Cubs are good basic
aircraft -
you could "upgrade" to a Citabria...

Good points Capt. but IIRC Craig also asked about it being a 4 seater
so his buddies could perhaps fly along with the instructor and learn
from watching... that would rule out most of your suggestions.


OK, I didn't recall that part (must be getting senile(er)). I saw
"trainer" - which tends towards two seats. But I did mention the Stinson and
the Navion, didn't I? See, I was right all along ;-)

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Geoff
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On Dec 20, 8:05*pm, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way
d0t com wrote:
(must be getting senile(er)).

Capt. I'll bet you've forgotten more about aviaition than I have even
begun to learn.

Doug

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:06:03 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Four people in a Cherokee 140? Are you serious?


And how many JATO bottles are used during this takeoff?

Two diet coke bottles with Menthos thrown in


Good Golly Dewd, don't you know anything? Diet Vernors is way better
for this than Diet Coke. :-)

You learn something new in usenet every day.

But I don't think the plan was to have all the owners in the plane at
the same time...

Used to do 135 in a cherokee 180 out of a very short strip and it would get
anything out of there you could stuff inside of it!
Not a very pleasant airplane to fly, but they are sturdy and they do go
well.

I did a photo shoot for a couple of owners wayyy back in 1990 (give or
take a year) One had a Cherokee 140 and the other a 180. I shot from
the 180 to start then we landed at a small airport (Standish
Industrial air-park) which is now private. They both used little
runway for landing, but on take off I didn't think the 140 was going
to make it. The 180 was off in a fraction of the distance.

I enjoyed flying a 180 with the old Hershey Bar wing, but after that
really disliked the 140. Except for landing I remember the two as
being quite different animals although they are both quite docile.

I spun the 180 a number of times. It was only later I found the
factory placard was a mistake. :-)) In a fully developed spin proper
inputs would appear to do nothing unless you waited a full turn to
turn and a half and then it'd stop in another half turn.

Roger (K8RI)


Bertie

On Dec 21, 4:13*am, "Roger (K8RI)" wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:06:03 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:





"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk *at wow way d0t com wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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" wrote:
Four people in a Cherokee 140? Are you serious?

And how many JATO bottles are used during this takeoff?

Two diet coke bottles with Menthos thrown in

Good Golly Dewd, don't you know anything? Diet Vernors is way better
for this than Diet Coke. *:-)

You learn something new in usenet every day.

But I don't think the plan was to have all the owners in the plane at
the same time...

Used to do 135 in a cherokee 180 out of a very short strip and it would get
anything out of there you could stuff inside of it!
Not a very pleasant airplane to fly, but they are sturdy and they do go
well.

I did a photo shoot for a couple of owners wayyy back in 1990 (give or
take a year) One had a Cherokee 140 and the other *a 180. *I shot from
the 180 to start then we landed at a small airport (Standish
Industrial air-park) which is now private. They both used little
runway for landing, but on take off I didn't think the 140 was going
to make it. *The 180 was off in a fraction of the distance.

I enjoyed flying a 180 with the old Hershey Bar wing, but after that
really disliked the 140. Except for landing I remember the two as
being quite different animals although they are both quite docile.

I spun the 180 a number of times. It was only later I found the
factory placard was a mistake. :-)) *In a fully developed spin proper
inputs would appear to do nothing unless you waited a full turn to
turn and a half and then it'd stop in another half turn.



Different from the 140 in spins? cause I used to spin them all the
time for training. I flew a 181 recently and noticed that it wasn´t
certified for spins.
I preferred the square wing ones myself, though i haven´t a lot of
time in the newer ones anyway.


Bertie

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:11:49 -0700, Shirl
wrote:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
I know some guys who did just this, but they were all going right
through and getting all their ratings ( excluding multi) on the one
airplane. It worked out well for them and they figured they saved a
fortune.

That could work once they have their private pilot tickets. Insurance
companies do an antler dance when you mention *student pilot*
solos...insurance on a plane owned by a group of people hoping to get
their *private pilot* licenses in it would likely be very high *if* they
could find a company to do it.

I know things have changed somewhat, but three of us (all students)
purchased a Cherokee 180. IIRC the insurrance was around $1200 a year.
No problem in the simple aircraft.

Roger (K8RI)

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:42:45 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Dave wrote in
:

I know 3 guys who are doing this now, and saving a pile... (by their
own numbers)

It is a Cherokee 140..

Yes, the wing IS in the right place..

Yes, it WILL haul 4 people (in a pinch, WITH a pinch!)

And it is a good trainer,


Nope, worst trainer ever.


Many say the Cherokee family is just too docile to be a trainer.
You can put the 180 into a full stall and still use the ailerons to
make turns while in the stall. In some planes if you touch the
ailerons in a stall it'll roll over and/or go into a spin. In the 180
it just sets there with the stabilator vibrating a bit and a high rate
of descent. Do that in my Deb and it takes concentration and some
timely control inputs to keep the greasy side down.

Roger (K8RI)

"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:42:45 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Dave wrote in
m:

I know 3 guys who are doing this now, and saving a pile... (by their
own numbers)

It is a Cherokee 140..

Yes, the wing IS in the right place..

Yes, it WILL haul 4 people (in a pinch, WITH a pinch!)

And it is a good trainer,


Nope, worst trainer ever.


Many say the Cherokee family is just too docile to be a trainer.
You can put the 180 into a full stall and still use the ailerons to
make turns while in the stall. In some planes if you touch the
ailerons in a stall it'll roll over and/or go into a spin. In the 180
it just sets there with the stabilator vibrating a bit and a high rate
of descent. Do that in my Deb and it takes concentration and some
timely control inputs to keep the greasy side down.


Well, exactly, it teaches you little,.
Good pickup truck, rotten trainer.

Bertie

Hi Craig

I am a CFI that has taught primary student is Light Sport aircraft up
to C-182's.
For you partnership/club Idea I would recommend sticking with simple
mainstream easy to fly aircraft. I would recommend this because that
will ensure that everyone involved will be able to learn in it easily.
It will also make insuring and maintaining it cheaper. It will also
make it easier to resell when/if you are done with it or ready to move
up. The C-172 or Cherokee series would be excellent choices. Even
C-150/152 or a Tomahawk we be excellent, especially if you really want
to keep costs low, although the C-172 Cherokee would have more
utility.

As mentioned in other posts, be careful to evaulate all the costs and
develop a good plan for as many contigencies as you can think of..
AOPA has a good tool for calulateing the cost of ownership. Look/ask
around your area to see who is already doing this. Also talk to your
CFI and maybe some other CFI's about their thoughts on the idea.

You may find if this works well for you that you will want to keep the
plane and the partnership/club after you have your ratings.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL


On Dec 20, 5:52*am, wrote:
Thanks for the unexpectedly large response. *I could use a few more
recommendations about which models of aircraft are particularly well suited
to being used as a trainer.

Also, I could really use tips on buying and potential sources of good used
aircraft.

Thanks!

Craig