RAF?

I don't think this has always been the case. There was a guy in the
1980s who resigned his British citizenship, so he could get US
citizenship, so he could join the USAF. He was eventually dismissed
from the USAF, and Britain deported him to the USA.

That's correct. The law changed quite recently--within ten years, as I
recall. Americans can now hold dual citizenship and twin passports. (I
do.)

A famous American who renounced his citizenship was Lee Harvey Oswald.
That the U.S. State Dept seldom took such matters seriously is
demonstrated by the fact that he was not only permitted to return to
the U.S. but to bring his Russian wife with him.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

I read somewhere that in the Korean Conflict the Turkish troops were
regarded by the North Koreans as quite fearsome fighters.

They were indeed. They did however have a rather bad time of it on the
retreat from the Yalu (well, everybody had a bad time on that
occasion) when they lost their interpreters.

Another famous UN contingent was the Ethiopians. They were famous for
their prowess in night patrols after the front stabilized. They took
off their boots, held hands, and *ran* through no-man's-land, where
they would pick up a prisoner or two at an observation post, then
depart the way they'd come.

Or so the story was told at the time.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

(Eastward Bound) wrote in message . com...
Just out of curiosity.

Could somebody like me -

An American - No Criminal History - Single male - 19 years of age

........Join the English Royal Air Force? Would that make me a British Citizen?


~Thanks in Advance!


Hey I e-mailed the careers office in London and here is the response I
got:

Please email rafapps-careers.mod.uk as they will be able to proceed
further. Failing that contact us on 02073054278. You would need to
copme along to the careers office etc to make an application as there
will be a number of interviews and tests should you be eligible.
Eligibility depends on a number of things. Application takes between
6-9 months or longer. Thank you for your interest.



Can you imagine that!? Me a yank? In the Royal Air Force? How about
that LOL...

If I wanted the join the Air Force I would join the USAF which might
not be as OLD as the RAF or as rich in history but is still something
great to be a part of. Sure the USAF might not have as much history
but IMO has a better fleet of aircraft. Is bigger in numbers,
likewise needs more volunteers to keep operating.

Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
I don't think this has always been the case. There was a guy in the
1980s who resigned his British citizenship, so he could get US
citizenship, so he could join the USAF. He was eventually dismissed
from the USAF, and Britain deported him to the USA.

That's correct. The law changed quite recently--within ten years, as I
recall. Americans can now hold dual citizenship and twin passports. (I
do.)

It's probably more accurate to say that the law
was clarified recently. Americans were able to hold
dual citizenship, in certain cases, even as far back
as the 1950s, but it was also very easy to accidentally
or unwillingly lose US citizen by performing certain
actions related to that other citizenship. A
series of Supreme Court decisions followed by State
Department policy changes have all but reversed the
US's former "anti-dual-nationality" stance.

Still, many people believe that the US does not
permit dual citizenship or that US citizens who
also have another citizenship must somehow choose
only one when they reach a certain age, and that's
not true.

From the US point of view, a US citizen who holds
both US citizenship and another citizenship is treated
the same as any other US citizen without the other
citizenship being taken into account. They are required
to obey the laws that apply to any US citizen. But, then
again, that's how most countries handle dual citizenship
(at least those that don't prohibit it). They apply their
laws on that person the same as they do any other one
of their citizens.

Stephen Gallagher

In message , Eastward
Bound writes
(Eastward Bound) wrote in message
.com...
Just out of curiosity.

Could somebody like me -

An American - No Criminal History - Single male - 19 years of age

........Join the English Royal Air Force? Would that make me a
British Citizen?


~Thanks in Advance!


Hey I e-mailed the careers office in London and here is the response I
got:

Please email rafapps-careers.mod.uk as they will be able to proceed
further. Failing that contact us on 02073054278. You would need to
copme along to the careers office etc to make an application as there
will be a number of interviews and tests should you be eligible.
Eligibility depends on a number of things. Application takes between
6-9 months or longer. Thank you for your interest.



Can you imagine that!? Me a yank? In the Royal Air Force? How about
that LOL...

Wasn't there a film called 'A Yank in the RAF'?

Mike
--
M.J.Powell

On 15 Dec 2003 04:45:56 GMT, IBM wrote:
"TJ" wrote in
:

[snip]

We are currently below strength in the RAF. We have a deficit of just
over a 1,000 in the non-commissioned ranks.


MEMO

To: Sqn Ldr M v Richthofen
24 Squadron
RAF Leuchars

From: AVM F G A Winston-Smythe, CB
AOC Strike Command
MOD London.

Dear Sqn Ldr v Richthofen,

While the RAF is, as an organisation, not unmindful of the facts that
you have presented we feel that operational considerations militate
against your request to have your squadron inventory of Eurofighter
aircraft painted red. Emblazoning your own aircraft withe legend
"Blue Max" is similarly out of the question due to long-standing
service policy.

Incidently, Germany does have a Richthofen squadron (JG71). I'd be
rather cool if they painted their Typhoons red.

--
"It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than
people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia
(Email: , but first subtract 275 and reverse
the last two letters).

"Eastward Bound"
If I wanted the join the Air Force I would join the USAF which might
not be as OLD as the RAF or as rich in history but is still something
great to be a part of. Sure the USAF might not have as much history
but IMO has a better fleet of aircraft. Is bigger in numbers,
likewise needs more volunteers to keep operating.

If you want to fly antiques you might consider joining the Canadian
Armed Forces.
They have a fleet of antique aircraft! Almost as old as the Commemorative
Air Force! ;-(

Ed (retired RCAF/CAF Tech)
Hoping things will improve!

Mary Shafer wrote:
[...]
I read somewhere that in the Korean Conflict the Turkish troops were
regarded by the North Koreans as quite fearsome fighters. To the
extent that the North Koreans would avoid engagement in any area they
knew to have Turkish soldiers.

I haven't read much about Korea, so I don't have any feel for true
this is, though. Perhaps someone else knows?


'quite fearsome fighters'

That's a yes. Fierce and unforgiving seemed to be the polite
description.

"Ed Majden" wrote in message news:LkmDb.713856$6C4.570027@pd7tw1no...
"Eastward Bound"
If I wanted the join the Air Force I would join the USAF which might
not be as OLD as the RAF or as rich in history but is still something
great to be a part of. Sure the USAF might not have as much history
but IMO has a better fleet of aircraft. Is bigger in numbers,
likewise needs more volunteers to keep operating.

If you want to fly antiques you might consider joining the Canadian
Armed Forces.
They have a fleet of antique aircraft! Almost as old as the Commemorative
Air Force! ;-(

Ed (retired RCAF/CAF Tech)
Hoping things will improve!


Really? The Canadian Armed Forces enlists foreigners?

"Eastward Bound"
Really? The Canadian Armed Forces enlists foreigners?

The RCAF had many recruits from the USA prior to them entering the war!
With all the cutbacks in strength today this may be more difficult. There
are waiting lists for Canadian citizens these days , except for trained
pilots and medical doctors!