"V-22 squadron achieves successin Iraq, USMC says"

Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 6, 3:50 pm, Kerryn Offord wrote:
Tiger wrote:
Vince wrote:
SNIP
If you are flying toilet paper and VIPs from protected base to
protected base you can make all kinds of claims about "taking it to
war" and "getting the job done".
But the claims are crap since toilet paper and VIP transport were not
the rationale for this extremely expensive truck
Vince
Well what would you call a Ch-46 or Ch-47? Neither are expected to be
"AIRWOLF" or "Blue Thunder." Yes, it's truck. A pricey truck. But a
better truck in the long run.
It's not a better "truck" for the job of delivering toilet paper (VIPs
might enjoy the faster ride etc) which is all it seems to be doing
currently.

It's payload per trip is less than that of other similar sized/ powered
helicopters.. And really, to deliver stores, speed isn't overly important.

And for range.. If the only way to get supplies to a base is via the
V-22.. They're in trouble...

As for CH-47s and CH-46s.. Sure they aren't expected to be "AIRWOLF" or
"BLUE THUNDER".. But there have been real reported cases of them being
involved in hot landings and evacuations... We await what happens "when"
the V-22 is used in similar circumstances...

You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is
stoking up the game to get just one V-22.
Wow Jack, did you not get laid recently or what? People here have
presented some pretty good evidence that the V-22 is working and that it
has been tested thoroughly. But you just keep sniping away! Your last
statement there is uncalled for. It really sounds like you are rooting
for terrorists to kill American soldiers.

Dean

Dean A. Markley wrote:

Wow Jack, did you not get laid recently or what? People here have
presented some pretty good evidence that the V-22 is working and that it
has been tested thoroughly. But you just keep sniping away! Your last
statement there is uncalled for. It really sounds like you are rooting
for terrorists to kill American soldiers.

Dean


it's at most "flying without crashing" two hours a day on safe missions
delivering toilet paper and VIPs from one base to another

and its 3 times the cost of the competition

Vince

Vince wrote:
Dean A. Markley wrote:

Wow Jack, did you not get laid recently or what? People here have
presented some pretty good evidence that the V-22 is working and that
it has been tested thoroughly. But you just keep sniping away! Your
last statement there is uncalled for. It really sounds like you are
rooting for terrorists to kill American soldiers.

Dean



it's at most "flying without crashing" two hours a day on safe missions
delivering toilet paper and VIPs from one base to another

and its 3 times the cost of the competition

Vince

You know when Sikorsky invented the helicopter, people said the same
about it vs fixed wing aircraft. A C130 can do the same job, carry more
stuff & farther than your 30 yr old rotor craft. Only problem is a
runway. Competition? What competition? The Ch 46 And 47 will never go
any faster, fly any higher or further or be any more safe in a LZ.

Vince wrote:

Next will be the post office needing Ferrari mail trucks to move the
mail faster

Vince



It might help. My mail delivery is rather slow actually. A Mail truck
with a V-12 And paddle shifters would be kinda cool. :-)

"Tiger" wrote in message
...
Vince wrote:

Next will be the post office needing Ferrari mail trucks to move the mail
faster

Vince



It might help. My mail delivery is rather slow actually. A Mail truck with
a V-12 And paddle shifters would be kinda cool. :-)

For today's trivia, the Sultan of Brunei has a custom-built Ferrari station
wagon, so there is one. And for today's coincidence, in the group
alt.autos.ferrari, one of the contributors is a woman, from the Tiger Racing
Team, with the name, "Tiger."

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:14:39 -0500, Vince wrote:



If you are flying toilet paper and VIPs from protected base to protected
base you can make all kinds of claims about "taking it to war" and
"getting the job done".

But the claims are crap since toilet paper and VIP transport were not
the rationale for this extremely expensive truck

Just as your claims of 'flying toilet paper' are crap.

Explain to us why we should listen to you instead of the people who
actually use the aircraft?

You know so little about the subject that myself and red spent days
ridiculing you - and you never even caught on!



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:42:58 -0500, Tiger
wrote:


Well what would you call a Ch-46 or Ch-47? Neither are expected to be
"AIRWOLF" or "Blue Thunder." Yes, it's truck. A pricey truck. But a
better truck in the long run.

Vince does not care about facts. He decided that the aircraft cannot
fly and no real world evidence can convince him otherwise.



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:50:24 +1300, Kerryn Offord
wrote:


It's not a better "truck" for the job of delivering toilet paper (VIPs
might enjoy the faster ride etc) which is all it seems to be doing
currently.

Vince has been making the claim that the V-22 has been delivering
toilet paper.

All this demonstrates is that the:
1) Has no clue about military logistics (and thus is totally
unqualified to comment on what type of aircraft is best for the
mission).
2) Has no clue about air operations in Iraq.

You see - Vince sits in a university (where the students have to
pretend to believe what he says in order to get a good grade) and as a
result feels that 'real world' information is irrelevant.

Of course Vince has a habit of pontificating on subjects he knows
nothing about. When I was in Iraq he tried to lecture me on enemy
car-bomb tactics when everything he knew about the subject came from
having lunch with an Irish policeman once.

Then he tried to lecture myself and red about Cavalry doctrine (both
myself and red served in the same Cavalry squadron about 10 years
ago).

Vince is little more than a source of amusement.



--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.

On Feb 6, 1:19*pm, Jack Linthicum wrote:


You know one of those last remaining al Qaeda in Anbar types is
stoking up the game to get just one V-22.

That is probably true. They will target everything from Humvees,
C-130's, and the Osprey. What is the point in that statement? They
will target anything to hurt us.
The sad thing is that some of the most outspoken critics of the
Osprey, some of our own citizens and members of this group, seem to be
hoping for it only to bolster their argument against it.
As I said before, every platform out there has weaknesses, there is
nothing, repeat nothing in our arsenal that can't be killed. Men will
die in the Osprey, it is going to happen. Who in this group is going
to find that to be a good event and use it to say "I told you so?" I
can think of a couple that will. And they disgust me.

BB

I guess everybody has some mountain to climb.
It's just fate whether you live in Kansas or Tibet...

"Tiger" wrote in message
...
Vince wrote:

Next will be the post office needing Ferrari mail trucks to move the mail
faster

Vince



It might help. My mail delivery is rather slow actually. A Mail truck with
a V-12 And paddle shifters would be kinda cool. :-)


And the $25 stamp for a letter?

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.