Russian Military Technology

On 03 Jan 2004 13:45:24 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

The best the Russians can do is hope for a chance hit on a helicopter with
an RPG.


But you have to give them credit for that one....although its surface-to-air
capability was not part of the design and not discovered by the
Russians....maybe they don't deserve any credit. Maybe this is the key to
Russian military hardware, find alternative uses for it. Maybe a T-72 makes an
outstanding toaster oven? A MiG-29 as stero system? The possibilities are
nearly endless


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"


If you dropped a T-72 from a plane it would make a pretty good KE
weapon but with it's lack of aerodynamics it would be all over the
place so I guess it wouldn't even make a good bomb. I suppose you
could dump it in the ocean and use it for a corel reef or melt it down
and use it for something useful.

The best the Russians can do is hope for a chance hit on a helicopter
with
an RPG.


But you have to give them credit for that one....although its
surface-to-air
capability was not part of the design and not discovered by the
Russians....maybe they don't deserve any credit. Maybe this is the key to
Russian military hardware, find alternative uses for it. Maybe a T-72
makes an
outstanding toaster oven? A MiG-29 as stero system? The possibilities are
nearly endless

If you dropped a T-72 from a plane it would make a pretty good KE
weapon but with it's lack of aerodynamics it would be all over the
place so I guess it wouldn't even make a good bomb. I suppose you
could dump it in the ocean and use it for a corel reef or melt it down
and use it for something useful.

T-72 was a good tank in it's time vs Leopard I's, M60's and early M1's.
After the Soviet Union fell there were slight cuts in military spending if
you didn't notice.

"tadaa" wrote in message ...
The best the Russians can do is hope for a chance hit on a helicopter
with
an RPG.


But you have to give them credit for that one....although its
surface-to-air
capability was not part of the design and not discovered by the
Russians....maybe they don't deserve any credit. Maybe this is the key
to
Russian military hardware, find alternative uses for it. Maybe a T-72
makes an
outstanding toaster oven? A MiG-29 as stero system? The possibilities
are
nearly endless

If you dropped a T-72 from a plane it would make a pretty good KE
weapon but with it's lack of aerodynamics it would be all over the
place so I guess it wouldn't even make a good bomb. I suppose you
could dump it in the ocean and use it for a corel reef or melt it down
and use it for something useful.

T-72 was a good tank in it's time vs Leopard I's, M60's and early M1's.
After the Soviet Union fell there were slight cuts in military spending if
you didn't notice.

You went a bit too far. It was generally inferior to the M60A3 TTS due to
the latter's better sight and fire control system. Likewise it was inferior
to the early M1's, which while they still had only the 105mm gun, had a much
better thermal imaging system. Add in the better vehicle protection and
greater speed, and even the early M1 was beyond the T-72's capabilities.

Brooks

T-72 was a good tank in it's time vs Leopard I's, M60's and early M1's.
After the Soviet Union fell there were slight cuts in military spending
if
you didn't notice.

You went a bit too far. It was generally inferior to the M60A3 TTS due to
the latter's better sight and fire control system. Likewise it was
inferior
to the early M1's, which while they still had only the 105mm gun, had a
much
better thermal imaging system. Add in the better vehicle protection and
greater speed, and even the early M1 was beyond the T-72's capabilities.

I wasn't trying to say it was the greatest tank of that era it wasn't even
the top notch Soviet tank. But it could have given Western tanks decent
fight.
M60 still had kinda thin armor and I'm not sure about early M1's armor
either against KE. A lot would on what kinda ammo T-72's would have. Can't
really remember what ammo they had at any given year. But a 125mm with DU
rod would have caused a few nasty moments. Its fire control and night
fighting cababilities were the ones most lagging behind, but they were still
usable.
A lot would depend on what versions the tanks would be, but I'd still
consider T-72 a decent tank for its time.

snip "Ode to the RPG"

Before you get all excited about this "Soviet wonderweapon", remember that it
is nothing more than a modernized Panzerfaust 60. Thank goodness the Russian
war machine can build really good copies of captured German stuff, eh?

So this weapon has been holding its own 40 years, and if anything it's
getting more powerful, more effective.

Try 60+ years for the basic design.

Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

nt wrote
Before you get all excited about this "Soviet wonderweapon", remember that it
is nothing more than a modernized Panzerfaust 60. Thank goodness the Russian
war machine can build really good copies of captured German stuff, eh?

Remember that American rocket technology, American nuclear reactors
and American nuclear bombs were designed by Europeans.

Do you know who Von Braun was ?
Do you know who Fermi was ?
Do you know who Einsten was ?

Were they Americans ?

More information he http://www.germancross.com

happy reading

Alejandro Magno

And your point is? Perhaps you don't know that the US is largely a nation
of immigrants and their descendants.

Jarg

"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message
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nt wrote
Before you get all excited about this "Soviet wonderweapon", remember
that it
is nothing more than a modernized Panzerfaust 60. Thank goodness the
Russian
war machine can build really good copies of captured German stuff, eh?

Remember that American rocket technology, American nuclear reactors
and American nuclear bombs were designed by Europeans.

Do you know who Von Braun was ?
Do you know who Fermi was ?
Do you know who Einsten was ?

Were they Americans ?

More information he http://www.germancross.com

happy reading

Alejandro Magno

"Jarg" wrote in message om...
And your point is? Perhaps you don't know that the US is largely a nation
of immigrants and their descendants.
Jarg

I know that very well. I have spent considerable time in America. My
point is that America is a European country in a different continent.

I do know how you can take this article, but seems interesting:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1382

Magno

(Alejandro Magno)
Date: 1/4/2004 3:59 AM Central Standard Time
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"Jarg" wrote in message
. com...
And your point is? Perhaps you don't know that the US is largely a nation
of immigrants and their descendants.
Jarg

I know that very well. I have spent considerable time in America. My
point is that America is a European country in a different continent.


And the Russias were settled by Vikings, South Asians, Mongols, Poles...etc

What exactly is your point?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

My
point is that America is a European country in a different continent.

Now-a-days, that is a very insulting statement. If the issue of Iraq isn't
enough to show the vast differences between Europeans and Americans, nothing
is.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"