ping Dan Thomas/weird crashes.

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:8790d988-d7b4-
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On Apr 2, 8:59 am, B A R R Y wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:

LOL,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_St._Louis
You should REALLY study how that was done.
BTW, I use a Barometer as an altitude indicator
driving around BC, up and down.

Lindberg flew in IMC?

I suggest a trip back to Google and Wikipedia to research the mail
pilots in Jenny's who flew into IMC with only a compass.

Back to the incident, my point is one can do IFR
with a compass and a barometer,

Oh, do go out and try that. Do it tomorrow you fjukktard.



Bertie

B A R R Y wrote in news:sYOIj.623$Gq7.502
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:

Ken S. Tucker wrote:


LOL,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_St._Louis
You should REALLY study how that was done.
BTW, I use a Barometer as an altitude indicator
driving around BC, up and down.

Lindberg flew in IMC?

On the crossing? Yes, he had a yaw gyro, though.


He also got airframe icing...


Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in message
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That all works for a 1/2 ass pilot, however if the cabin
pressure had a slow leak, and the pilot slowly looses
mental faculties, (Bertie is a typical example), that
could lead to pilot confusion.
Ken


Check YOUR cabin, it seems to be leaking, and not slowly.

I would also suggest and request that you show some respect for a qualified
pilot and active aviation supporter and for his passengers and their
families and friends. As aviators concerned with safety, we all want to
learn from this sad event but it is just low class to use it as an excuse to
troll or to demonstrate your ignorance in general.

No reply requested.

"Ken ****head Tucker" wrote in news:8790d988-d7b4-
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IIRC correctly he did careful navigation, reset his
altimeter relative to sea level, and did some stellar
and solar navigation to reset his magnetic compass.


Reset his magnetic compass? You are one dumb mother ****er, ****head
Tucker.

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:57:03 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Apr 2, 11:53 am, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

Back to the incident, my point is one can do IFR
with a compass and a barometer, I learned that
for IFR. Of course it's easier now, with radio.
Lindbergh was NORDO.
IIRC correctly he did careful navigation, reset his
altimeter relative to sea level, and did some stellar
and solar navigation to reset his magnetic compass.

I thought every IFR pilot knew how to do that.
Why the evident "spiral dive" ?
Ken

You cannot do IFR with just a compass and barometer. You DID
NOT learn to do that. The compass, because of lead/lag and northerly
turning errors, will not indicate accurately in anything but steady,
straight-ahead flight. In a coordinated turn it will stay level inside
its case and cannot be used for bank or pitch information. It will
swim all over the place during turns, acceleration deceleration.
Barometers are sticky and wholly inadequate for accurate altitude.
Just being inside an aircraft cabin, whose pressure can be
substantially different from that outside due to leaks in the
fuselage, will make it read falsely. Inside a pressurized cabin it's
useless, of course.
Anyone who follows nothing more than a whiskey compass and a
barometer in IMC is going to die real soon.

Dan
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Dan

Some of us learned to fly IFR using needle, ball and airspeed (plus
whisky compass and altimeter).

Big John

On Apr 2, 7:28 pm, Big John wrote:

Anyone who follows nothing more than a whiskey compass and a
barometer in IMC is going to die real soon.

Dan

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Dan

Some of us learned to fly IFR using needle, ball and airspeed (plus
whisky compass and altimeter).

Big John

Yup. I did that during IFR training, too. Need a watch with a
second hand, too, or stopwatch. Not much fun, but necessary. Surely
you didn't routinely fly actual IMC in airplanes having just those
instruments?

Dan

"Big John" wrote in message
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Dan

Some of us learned to fly IFR using needle, ball and airspeed (plus
whisky compass and altimeter).

Big John

Was that because you learned to fly before electricity was discovered? :~0

On Apr 2, 3:43 pm, "Private" wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in ...
snip

That all works for a 1/2 ass pilot, however if the cabin
pressure had a slow leak, and the pilot slowly looses
mental faculties, (Bertie is a typical example), that
could lead to pilot confusion.
Ken

Check YOUR cabin, it seems to be leaking, and not slowly.
....
IDIOT :-)

On Apr 2, 8:04 pm, "Matt W. Barrow"
wrote:
"Big John" wrote in message

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Dan

Some of us learned to fly IFR using needle, ball and airspeed (plus
whisky compass and altimeter).

Big John

Was that because you learned to fly before electricity was discovered? :~0

LOL: One can be IFR rated by turning on the Auto-
Pilot switch, and dial the cell-phone for directions.
All them fancy dials is a sales pitch.
Ken

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:09:05 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Apr 2, 7:28 pm, Big John wrote:

Anyone who follows nothing more than a whiskey compass and a
barometer in IMC is going to die real soon.

Dan

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Dan

Some of us learned to fly IFR using needle, ball and airspeed (plus
whisky compass and altimeter).

Big John

Yup. I did that during IFR training, too. Need a watch with a
second hand, too, or stopwatch. Not much fun, but necessary. Surely
you didn't routinely fly actual IMC in airplanes having just those
instruments?

Dan
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Dan

Of course the clock. How else could you make a turn with whisky
compass and needle and come out near the heading you wanted?

Most early flights were VFR but was not unknown that one would get
caught and end up IFR. WX forecasting was poor at best. Training was
basically Needle, Ball and A/S and four course Radio Range for IFR
Nav. Airspeed gave you climb or descent and altimeter gave you
altitude of course.

Also as time moved on and we had a very basic full panel. If you lost
your primary instruments or gyros hit stops and tumbled, then you flew
partial panel or augured in. No ejection seats in those days.

Lots of hours in Link trainer, under hood and AI. Seemed to work as I
survived on a number of pucker occasions )

I have been lucky to fly thru so many eras of flight in my life.
Started when a buggy whip was a throttle and ended with routine super
sonic flight.

Big John