Russia's 'Blackjacks' fly again

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From: Kristan Roberge
Date: 2/2/2004 12:17 AM Central Standard Time
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How many "major ships" and how do you define "major ships?" As far as I
know
no battlewagons, heavy cruisers, light cruisers or aircraft carriers were
sunk
by ASMs.


At least one battleship (Roma) and the cruiser HMS Spartan were sunk
another battleship (HMS Warspite) was severely damaged as were
two cruisers (HMS Uganda and USS Savanna).

Keith

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From: Kristan Roberge
Date: 2/2/2004 12:17 AM Central Standard Time
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How many "major ships" and how do you define "major ships?" As far as
I
know
no battlewagons, heavy cruisers, light cruisers or aircraft carriers
were
sunk
by ASMs.


At least one battleship (Roma) and the cruiser HMS Spartan were sunk
another battleship (HMS Warspite) was severely damaged as were
two cruisers (HMS Uganda and USS Savanna).

To keep things in perspective regarding Fritz-X, it had a reported 20%
success rate ( www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/annex/an41a.htm ). Probably better
than the US Azon (VB 1 thru 3), and quite an accomplishment by the standards
of the day, but still a mediocre performer overall.

Brooks


Keith

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At least one battleship (Roma) and the cruiser HMS Spartan were sunk
another battleship (HMS Warspite) was severely damaged as were
two cruisers (HMS Uganda and USS Savanna).

To keep things in perspective regarding Fritz-X, it had a reported 20%
success rate ( www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/annex/an41a.htm ). Probably better
than the US Azon (VB 1 thru 3), and quite an accomplishment by the
standards
of the day, but still a mediocre performer overall.

Brooks


The success rate would probably have been rather higher had
a jammer for the radio control system not been rushed into
operation.

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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At least one battleship (Roma) and the cruiser HMS Spartan were sunk
another battleship (HMS Warspite) was severely damaged as were
two cruisers (HMS Uganda and USS Savanna).

To keep things in perspective regarding Fritz-X, it had a reported 20%
success rate ( www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/annex/an41a.htm ). Probably
better
than the US Azon (VB 1 thru 3), and quite an accomplishment by the
standards
of the day, but still a mediocre performer overall.

Brooks


The success rate would probably have been rather higher had
a jammer for the radio control system not been rushed into
operation.

Which led to the first use of wire guided variants, IIRC--without really
changing the success rate.

Brooks


Keith

From: "Keith Willshaw"
Date: 2/2/2004 8:27 AM Central Standard Time
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From: Kristan Roberge
Date: 2/2/2004 12:17 AM Central Standard Time
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How many "major ships" and how do you define "major ships?" As far as I
know
no battlewagons, heavy cruisers, light cruisers or aircraft carriers were
sunk
by ASMs.


At least one battleship (Roma) and the cruiser HMS Spartan were sunk
another battleship (HMS Warspite) was severely damaged as were
two cruisers (HMS Uganda and USS Savanna).

Keith

I stand corrected.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

How many "major ships" and how do you define "major ships?" As far as I
know
no battlewagons, heavy cruisers, light cruisers or aircraft carriers were
sunk
by ASMs.

Roma springs immediately to mind - speared and sunk by Major Bernd. Jope, who
Hitler personally decorated for the act. To me, that would be a 'major ship',
as it was a front line, modern battleship. I have a small collection of things
from Jope, recording this action, including a photo of Roma's death throes.

v/r
Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

Actually, both would probably be a better approximation, though I am unaware
of any German scientists being used by the US to develop PGM's--do you have
any evidence of that?

I know of one - but I dont know how he would feel about me identifying him
online so I need to leave it at that. Guy worked directly on the land-attack
cruise missile, retiring from GD after 30 years on our team, following a stint
working with geheime stuff in the old Last Reich.

:... though I am unaware
f any German scientists being used by the US to develop PGM's--do you have
:any evidence of that?

There weren't any.


My acquaintance wasn't a scientist, but he was an engineer at GD for over 30
years after a somewhat shorter career in the German jet programs of late WWII.
He was featured in a local newspaper article with a B-24 bombardier that bombed
his barracks in 1945 - the two worked down the hall from each other at General
Dynamics working on the Tomahawk (?) or somesuch.

"Krztalizer" wrote in message
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| :... though I am unaware
| f any German scientists being used by the US to develop PGM's--do you
have
| :any evidence of that?
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| There weren't any.
|
|
| My acquaintance wasn't a scientist, but he was an engineer at GD for over
30
| years after a somewhat shorter career in the German jet programs of late
WWII.
| He was featured in a local newspaper article with a B-24 bombardier that
bombed
| his barracks in 1945 - the two worked down the hall from each other at
General
| Dynamics working on the Tomahawk (?) or somesuch.



That's when you call him up on the phone and go....


"left a bit, ...... left ...... a bit more ...."






Cheers


Dave Kearton

That's when you call him up on the phone and go....


"left a bit, ...... left ...... a bit more ...."

Actually, the newspaper arranged for the bombardier to meet with Mr. B. at a
restaurant, so he could "replace" the bottles of wine that he destroyed when
his barracks got pasted. Fitting, I thought.

yf
Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.