Getting confused with ATC order...Violation?

On Apr 4, 7:55 am, C J Campbell
wrote:

They do die in real airplanes, though, and the FAA has held that a
pilot who reads back an erroneous clearance is still required to fly
the one given him by ATC, even if ATC doesn't correct him.


The FAA hasn't held that at all.

On 2008-04-04 08:53:46 -0700, "Steven P. McNicoll"
said:

On Apr 4, 7:55 am, C J Campbell
wrote:

They do die in real airplanes, though, and the FAA has held that a
pilot who reads back an erroneous clearance is still required to fly
the one given him by ATC, even if ATC doesn't correct him.


The FAA hasn't held that at all.

Sorry. You are right. It was the NTSB in the Merrell case, 1999.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell writes:

They do die in real airplanes, though, and the FAA has held that a
pilot who reads back an erroneous clearance is still required to fly
the one given him by ATC, even if ATC doesn't correct him.

But that is a physical impossibility. If the pilot heard 110 instead of 210
because of static, and he reads back and flies 110, and ATC doesn't correct
him, how is the pilot to magically know what ATC really said and magically fly
that?

Where did the FAA hold this?

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:14:23 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

If the pilot heard 110 instead of 210
because of static, and he reads back and flies 110, and ATC doesn't correct
him, how is the pilot to magically know what ATC really said and magically fly
that?

Ask, "Say again."

Mxsmanic wrote in
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C J Campbell writes:

They do die in real airplanes, though, and the FAA has held that a
pilot who reads back an erroneous clearance is still required to fly
the one given him by ATC, even if ATC doesn't correct him.

But that is a physical impossibility. If the pilot heard 110 instead
of 210 because of static, and he reads back and flies 110, and ATC
doesn't correct him, how is the pilot to magically know what ATC
really said and magically fly that?


That's because you'r enot a pilot, you're an idiot.


When advice is needed on how to make a good burger out of dumpster
scraps, we'll call you.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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RubberWatch writes:

I am a student pilot. I was out flying solo today and was instructed
by ATC to fly a heading of 210. I thought he said 110 and I flew on
that heading.

Did you read back the heading? If you read back 110 and he said
nothing, you're okay, since he should have corrected you. If you read
back 210 and then flew 110, that's potentially a problem (although
probably not in this case, since you fixed it). If you didn't read
back the heading, that also can potentially be a problem because the
burden is upon you to fly the correct heading if you didn't read it
back.

If you had ever flown a real airplane Anthony, you would know what a
moron you are. Ooops, I forgot, you've never flown a real airplane. All
you do is set the autopilot in your simulator and stroke your joystick
while watching the monitor.

excellent.. more advice from a simulator operator..

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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RubberWatch writes:

I am a student pilot. I was out flying solo today and was instructed
by ATC to fly a heading of 210. I thought he said 110 and I flew on
that heading.

Did you read back the heading? If you read back 110 and he said nothing,
you're okay, since he should have corrected you. If you read back 210 and
then flew 110, that's potentially a problem (although probably not in this
case, since you fixed it). If you didn't read back the heading, that also
can
potentially be a problem because the burden is upon you to fly the correct
heading if you didn't read it back.

BT wrote:
excellent.. more advice from a simulator operator..

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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He's still here?



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BT writes:

excellent.. more advice from a simulator operator..

Which part do you disagree with?

Do you think VFR pilots should not read back instructions from ATC?

Do you think VFR pilots should fly what ATC wants instead of what they heard
in ATC's instructions? If so, how are they to know what ATC really wants if
they misheard the instructions and they don't read them back, or if they read
them back and ATC fails to correct them? How do you do that?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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BT writes:

excellent.. more advice from a simulator operator..

Which part do you disagree with?

Do you think VFR pilots should not read back instructions from ATC?

Do you think VFR pilots should fly what ATC wants instead of what they
heard in ATC's instructions? If so, how are they to know what ATC
really wants if they misheard the instructions and they don't read
them back, or if they read them back and ATC fails to correct them?
How do you do that?


Wow, you really don't know **** about flying. What a moron you are.