Airspeed of military planes

"N. Funk" wrote in message
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Yes, but the problems occur when us insects splatter on the windshield
of those fast moving "space-ships". Even though it rarely occurs, it is
usually catastrophic for the insects. Remember the incident several
years ago in around Manatee County, Florida when a Cessna and a fighter
collided.


It's usually catastrophic for the "space-ships" as well.

"Glenn Westfall" wrote in message
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I'm an Air Force Air Traffic Controller and am currently working in
Okinawa, Japan. We have F-15's here at Kadena and it is not uncommon
for them to come back well above 400 Kts below 10,000. We usually
only worry about slowing them down if they are being sequenced to
follow another aircraft. Close to final, they will usually slow
themselves to 250 Kts or slower unless told otherwise.


The airspeed limitation he's referring to is found in a Federal Aviation
Regulation,
which is applicable only within the US.

Hi Steven,

The airspeed limitation he's referring to is found in a Federal Aviation
Regulation,
which is applicable only within the US.

Also in germany. 250kt below FL 100 except for planes which need to be
flown faster.

Regards,
Peter

Peter Hovorka wrote:

Also in germany. 250kt below FL 100 except for planes which need to be
flown faster.

Probably the same in most ICAO-States? At least it's the same in
Switzerland as well.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote...

The airspeed limitation he's referring to is found in a Federal Aviation
Regulation, which is applicable only within the US.

However, similar rules are common in other countries as well.

We have F-15's here at Kadena and it is not uncommon
for them to come back well above 400 Kts below 10,000.

Besides the fact flying 250 KIAS in an Eagle would severly restrict
maneuverability, in foriegn nations, US military comply with host nation rules
and restrictions. My guess is, Japan has no restriction. I know the UK doesn't.
Try flying 250 KIAS below 10,000' when you're #2 of a returning B-52 6-ship.
You are going to land last. The Brize controller will vector your sorry
rear-end out of the way while he gets everyone else on the ground in no time
flat. I watched this happen, I was #5, flying 280 KIAS until I was on base,
then I worked my tail off slowing and configuring, finally getting in landing
configuration well inside the final approach fix.To this day I'm not sure I
made my gear down call. Fortunately for me, I had been to Fairford years
earlier and was used to such "expediant" procedures when large formations
returned in close proximity to each other.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" wrote
We have F-15's here at Kadena and it is not uncommon
for them to come back well above 400 Kts below 10,000.

Besides the fact flying 250 KIAS in an Eagle would severly restrict
maneuverability, in foriegn nations, US military comply with host nation rules
and restrictions. My guess is, Japan has no restriction. I know the UK doesn't.
Try flying 250 KIAS below 10,000' when you're #2 of a returning B-52 6-ship.
You are going to land last. The Brize controller will vector your sorry
rear-end out of the way while he gets everyone else on the ground in no time
flat. I watched this happen, I was #5, flying 280 KIAS until I was on base,
then I worked my tail off slowing and configuring, finally getting in landing
configuration well inside the final approach fix.To this day I'm not sure I
made my gear down call. Fortunately for me, I had been to Fairford years
earlier and was used to such "expediant" procedures when large formations
returned in close proximity to each other.

I was a crewdog on E-3's and Ramstein seemed to always give us a high tacan
approach in the 70's. We couldn't do it of course, but it was fun trying, and then
they always got ****ed-off when we went missed-approach at warp factor six
over the natives neighborhoods, who I guess didn't like airplanes roaring over
their house at 3am in the morning... All the F-4's in the teardrop seemed to
stop in mid-air as we flashed by them in a kamikaze spiral...

"Glenn Westfall" wrote...
I'm an Air Force Air Traffic Controller and am currently working in
Okinawa, Japan. We have F-15's here at Kadena and it is not uncommon
for them to come back well above 400 Kts below 10,000.

How far out over the water does the 250-below-10 limit extend in Japan?

Yes, it is a rule here too as we follow the 7110.65 just like in the
U.S. But it is a rule we don't always strickly enforce unless we have
to. I don't like them going that fast, but unless there is a reason
for me to slow them down, I don't usually bother. Now I would never
have one buz an airliner or civilian plane going that fast, but you
get the idea. I'm sure it is different with the FAA boys working in a
busy area, but for us over open water we don't care too much. Our
airspace goes out to 50 miles around Okinawa, so it is 90% over water.

Glenn


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:18:22 GMT, "John R Weiss"
wrote:

"Glenn Westfall" wrote...
I'm an Air Force Air Traffic Controller and am currently working in
Okinawa, Japan. We have F-15's here at Kadena and it is not uncommon
for them to come back well above 400 Kts below 10,000.

How far out over the water does the 250-below-10 limit extend in Japan?

If the "Dash One" manual for the military airplane specifies a speed higher
than 250 below 10,000' it's OK to fly that fast. In the B-58 Hustler, after
takeoff we came out of afterburners at 350 KIAS and climbed at 425 KIAS
until reaching Mach .90 for climb speed. That's why other aircraft try to
stay clear of military climb corridors. We flew low level routes at 435
KIAS except for the high speed portion where we flew at 600 KIAS. (and
that's back in the 1960s)

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"Tetsuji Rai" wrote in message
s.com...
Airspeed limitation below 10000ft is usually 250kts unless you have been
authorized by the Administrator. However I guess it's a bit slow for
military fighters. So I am curious how fast military fighters fly in the
real world. I guess it's very dangerous military aircraft fly much fast
among civilian planes.