Germany invented it. We shot it down

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Subject: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: (robert arndt)
Date: 2/19/04 5:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: "Keith Willshaw"
Date: 2/19/04 8:21 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Nuff said.



Or bombed it

Keith



Yeah. I forgot about that part. (grin)


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Senility will do that to ya Art.

Rob


Do you know what Germany looked like in 1945? Most kids like you have no
idea.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Of course I do. Several of my dad's friends were in the occupation of
Germany and had scrapbooks full of the war damage. I have also seen it
on video. One of the best accounts is the video "Berlin 1945" which is
a documentary on the Russian advance into the Nazi capital with all
the footage live. Berlin looks shattered and the Reichschancellory,
Reichstag, and Brandenburg Gate grounds look like a lunar landscape.
Its surreal to say the least.
However, the Germans are a resourceful, well-organized, industrious
people and survived to rebuild the city and the nation, same for
reunification.

Rob

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Or bombed it

Keith

And Germany laid waste to Europe and Russia not to mention costing
Britain, France, and Belgium their colonies postwar. So glad Germany
cost Britain its superpower status and robbed them of developing the
A-bomb first (Tube Alloys).


Rob

Now the truth comes out, you are proud of your country's slaughter of innocent
men, women and children. I bet you are also proud of the 6 million Jews and the
6 million non Jews you guys killed.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Of course not, just responding in kind to that UK-US arrogance over
winning the war attitude. Are YOU proud of US history of the
transatlantic slave trade that killed millions of Africans or the
displacement and destruction of the Amerindians? What about the KKK
and southern segregation, with all the murders that came from that?
How about US abortion at 1.6 babies murdered per year?
Seems like you only care about German atrocities. Try looking in the
mirror pal and think about what the US has done historically, not to
mention other nations. The colonial powers killed millions. Stalin
killed 30 million of his people (and the Poles, Gypsies, Jews, etc...)
and China under Mao killed 50 million. Ever heard the atrocities in
Cambodia, in South America, in Africa, in the Balkans, and the
Australian slaughter of Aboriginals?

Rob

Rob

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From: (robert arndt)
Date: 2/19/2004 7:18 PM Central Standard Time
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Nuff said.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

The Luftwaffe shot down 120,000 aircraft of its own

Rob

I know as a German you have a hard time with English grammar, but what you said
was the Luftwaffe shot down 120,000 of their own aircraft.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Now you're just being stupid. 120,000 of their "own" kills against Allied aircraft.
Clear enough for you now?

Rob

Subject: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: (robert arndt)
Date: 2/20/04 7:10 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Date: 2/19/2004 7:18 PM Central Standard Time
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Nuff said.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

The Luftwaffe shot down 120,000 aircraft of its own

Rob

I know as a German you have a hard time with English grammar, but what you
said
was the Luftwaffe shot down 120,000 of their own aircraft.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Now you're just being stupid. 120,000 of their "own" kills against Allied
aircraft.
Clear enough for you now?

Rob

Dan is right. You write gibberish.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: (robert arndt)
Date: 2/20/04 7:08 AM Pacific Standard Time
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From: (robert arndt)


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Nuff said.



Or bombed it

Keith

And Germany laid waste to Europe and Russia not to mention costing
Britain, France, and Belgium their colonies postwar. So glad Germany
cost Britain its superpower status and robbed them of developing the
A-bomb first (Tube Alloys).


Rob

Now the truth comes out, you are proud of your country's slaughter of
innocent
men, women and children. I bet you are also proud of the 6 million Jews and
the
6 million non Jews you guys killed.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Of course not, just responding in kind to that UK-US arrogance over
winning the war attitude. Are YOU proud of US history of the
transatlantic slave trade that killed millions of Africans or the
displacement and destruction of the Amerindians? What about the KKK
and southern segregation, with all the murders that came from that?
How about US abortion at 1.6 babies murdered per year?
Seems like you only care about German atrocities. Try looking in the
mirror pal and think about what the US has done historically, not to
mention other nations. The colonial powers killed millions. Stalin
killed 30 million of his people (and the Poles, Gypsies, Jews, etc...)
and China under Mao killed 50 million. Ever heard the atrocities in
Cambodia, in South America, in Africa, in the Balkans, and the
Australian slaughter of Aboriginals?

Rob

Rob


And that is how you justify 55 million dead by German aggression in WW II? .
SWINE.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: (robert arndt)
Date: 2/20/04 6:59 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Germany invented it. We shot it down
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Date: 2/19/04 5:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Subject: Germany invented it. We shot it down
From: "Keith Willshaw"
Date: 2/19/04 8:21 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Nuff said.



Or bombed it

Keith



Yeah. I forgot about that part. (grin)


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Senility will do that to ya Art.

Rob


Do you know what Germany looked like in 1945? Most kids like you have no
idea.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Of course I do. Several of my dad's friends were in the occupation of
Germany and had scrapbooks full of the war damage. I have also seen it
on video. One of the best accounts is the video "Berlin 1945" which is
a documentary on the Russian advance into the Nazi capital with all
the footage live. Berlin looks shattered and the Reichschancellory,
Reichstag, and Brandenburg Gate grounds look like a lunar landscape.
Its surreal to say the least.
However, the Germans are a resourceful, well-organized, industrious
people and survived to rebuild the city and the nation, same for
reunification.

Rob


The Marshall plan did it all for them.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Oh, Oh, Oh, may I please respond?

robert arndt wrote:

Of course not, just responding in kind to that UK-US arrogance over
winning the war attitude. Are YOU proud of US history of the
transatlantic slave trade that killed millions of Africans or the
displacement and destruction of the Amerindians?

That's why we don't brag about it!

What about the KKK
and southern segregation, with all the murders that came from that?

See above! We brag about the END of it! I don't see you cheering about
VE day.

How about US abortion at 1.6 babies murdered per year?

BTW, doesn't Germany have a pretty liberal abortion policy?

Seems like you only care about German atrocities.

Only when people wax poetic about that period and place.

Try looking in the
mirror pal and think about what the US has done historically, not to
mention other nations. The colonial powers killed millions.
Stalin killed 30 million of his people (and the Poles, Gypsies, Jews,
etc...) and China under Mao killed 50 million. Ever heard the atrocities in
Cambodia, in South America, in Africa, in the Balkans, and the
Australian slaughter of Aboriginals?

Rob


Who around here is defending Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, the Hutus, so on, so
forth?

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From: (robert arndt)

And Germany laid waste to Europe and Russia not to mention costing
Britain, France, and Belgium their colonies postwar. So glad Germany
cost Britain its superpower status and robbed them of developing the
A-bomb first (Tube Alloys).


Rob

Now the truth comes out, you are proud of your country's slaughter of
innocent
men, women and children. I bet you are also proud of the 6 million Jews and
the
6 million non Jews you guys killed.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Of course not, just responding in kind to that UK-US arrogance over
winning the war attitude. Are YOU proud of US history of the
transatlantic slave trade that killed millions of Africans or the
displacement and destruction of the Amerindians? What about the KKK
and southern segregation, with all the murders that came from that?

Unlike you I will express shame over my history where shame is due as in your
examples.

How about US abortion at 1.6 babies murdered per year?

You are off by about 1,500,000.

Seems like you only care about German atrocities.

YOU were the one bragging about what you did during the war. In this thread
you brag about "laying waste to Europe and Russia." In another thread you
boasted of how many people died to bring your country down.

Try looking in the
mirror pal and think about what the US has done historically, not to
mention other nations. The colonial powers killed millions. Stalin
killed 30 million of his people (and the Poles, Gypsies, Jews, etc...)
and China under Mao killed 50 million. Ever heard the atrocities in
Cambodia, in South America, in Africa, in the Balkans, and the
Australian slaughter of Aboriginals?

Rob


What has that to do with your bragging about your country's slaughter of tens
of millions and your concentration camps? You Germans started that war. All
your boasting about wonder weapons and what others learned from them can't
change that.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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Nuff said.



Or bombed it

Keith

And Germany laid waste to Europe and Russia not to mention costing
Britain, France, and Belgium their colonies postwar. So glad Germany
cost Britain its superpower status and robbed them of developing the
A-bomb first (Tube Alloys).


Rob

Now the truth comes out, you are proud of your country's slaughter of
innocent
men, women and children. I bet you are also proud of the 6 million Jews
and the
6 million non Jews you guys killed.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Of course not, just responding in kind to that UK-US arrogance over
winning the war attitude. Are YOU proud of US history of the
transatlantic slave trade that killed millions of Africans or the
displacement and destruction of the Amerindians? What about the KKK
and southern segregation, with all the murders that came from that?
How about US abortion at 1.6 babies murdered per year?
Seems like you only care about German atrocities. Try looking in the
mirror pal and think about what the US has done historically, not to
mention other nations. The colonial powers killed millions. Stalin
killed 30 million of his people (and the Poles, Gypsies, Jews, etc...)
and China under Mao killed 50 million. Ever heard the atrocities in
Cambodia, in South America, in Africa, in the Balkans, and the
Australian slaughter of Aboriginals?

Rob

Rob
And the new African nations, having got out from under the *scourge of
colonialism *? Now kill their fellow citizens by the millions ! Freedom is
great !!!!

BMC

550,000 of the 11 million slaves brought across the Atlantic came to the
US. Indians are 3% of the US population, so they were not wiped out. And
Indian reservations account for 4% of the US land mass so they have more
land per person than most Americans. If you think that all this adds up
to anything like what Europe has done you are insane. The Belgians alone
have done worse.


The Dutch West Indies got the same amount. Brazil got 4 million. Yes
according to the reparations movement and those like Jesse Jackson, you would
think everyone of them was sent to the US. They decline to mention that the
slaves were often sold by other African tribes, and that slavery still exists
in Africa today.


Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)