Fake military guys & the Stolen Valor Act of 2005

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:59:17 +0100, "William Black"
wrote:


"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
.. .

For the same reason people steal. They wish to have something of value
which they did not earn.

While they may have devalued military service in general and heroism
in particular they believe as well that they accrue some benefit by
claiming exceptional combat valor, courage and credentials.

Well then you have do some sort of 'risk/benefit' analysis then.

The risks seem high if people are spending their lives chasing them down.

There seem to be no material benefits.

Why bother?

Don't misunderstand, everyone's met the guy who claims to have served with
the SAS who turns out to have been a cook on a base where an SAS man once
turned up to give a talk on '"The Military Architecture of Hereford";
that's almost expected.

But who on earth claims significant decorations in the hope that no-one will
notice?

I direct you once again to this comprehensive site which will show you
"who on earth..."

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1082.htm

There are so many that they must be organized on alphabetical pages
and even then it takes considerable scrolling to get to the bottom.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
www.thundertales.blogspot.com
www.thunderchief.org

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:31:53 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote:

Personally I still lean toward cutting off their buttons, ripping
their epaulets, breaking their saber over my knee and tossing them out
the gate...but that's just me.

I think if you try to break a saber over your knee you will hurt
yourself. Those things would have to be pretty sturdy just to work as
designed.

Casady

Actually, if you look at just the records of politicians who have
gotten nailed for fake medals or claiming advanced degrees they never
earned, it's pretty clear that they did benefit from the con. *

Actually, if you look at just the records of politicians who have
gotten nailed for fake medals or claiming advanced degrees they never
earned, it's pretty clear that they did benefit from the con. *

up here degrees from St Regis were popular. Pay your money, get your
degree. They caught some cops from Chicago PD using them to get
promoted. Some had retired and they're going to get away with it. Ones
on duty are pulling degrees from their files, not sure if anything
else, i.e. demotion to rank not requiring a degree. FBI is getting
involved as there were some Federal employees doing it.

Degrees are pretty easy to check. Most universities will verify if a
person was a student or if they got a degree. Transcripts are
confidential.

One problem I've seen is colleges are way different in type of
students they output. MIT or Cal Tech engineers are not the same as
oh, say U Montana if they give a degree. And the other problem is
departments change over time, not as obvious at the bachelor's level,
but if you go for a PhD you can get screwed if people retire, leave
and the new bozo who's chair brings in losers.

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:59:17 +0100, "William Black"
wrote:


"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
. ..

For the same reason people steal. They wish to have something of value
which they did not earn.

While they may have devalued military service in general and heroism
in particular they believe as well that they accrue some benefit by
claiming exceptional combat valor, courage and credentials.

Well then you have do some sort of 'risk/benefit' analysis then.

The risks seem high if people are spending their lives chasing them down.

There seem to be no material benefits.

Why bother?

Don't misunderstand, everyone's met the guy who claims to have served
with
the SAS who turns out to have been a cook on a base where an SAS man once
turned up to give a talk on '"The Military Architecture of Hereford";
that's almost expected.

But who on earth claims significant decorations in the hope that no-one
will
notice?

I direct you once again to this comprehensive site which will show you
"who on earth..."

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1082.htm

There are so many that they must be organized on alphabetical pages
and even then it takes considerable scrolling to get to the bottom.

You miss my point.

Why do they bother?

It seems to bring next to no advantage and has huge risks.

It is obviously a problem there otherwise the government wouldn't have made
it a crime, which must make things a touch difficult for re-enactors and
film units but that's life...

One guy has a long paragraph aimed at him for telling tall tales around the
campfire at some re-enactment, which, to be honest, is just plain silly.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Aug 23, 10:52 am, "William Black"
wrote:
"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:59:17 +0100, "William Black"
wrote:

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
. ..

For the same reason people steal. They wish to have something of value
which they did not earn.

While they may have devalued military service in general and heroism
in particular they believe as well that they accrue some benefit by
claiming exceptional combat valor, courage and credentials.

Well then you have do some sort of 'risk/benefit' analysis then.

The risks seem high if people are spending their lives chasing them down.

There seem to be no material benefits.

Why bother?

Don't misunderstand, everyone's met the guy who claims to have served
with
the SAS who turns out to have been a cook on a base where an SAS man once
turned up to give a talk on '"The Military Architecture of Hereford";
that's almost expected.

But who on earth claims significant decorations in the hope that no-one
will
notice?

I direct you once again to this comprehensive site which will show you
"who on earth..."

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1082.htm

There are so many that they must be organized on alphabetical pages
and even then it takes considerable scrolling to get to the bottom.

You miss my point.

Why do they bother?

It seems to bring next to no advantage and has huge risks.

It is obviously a problem there otherwise the government wouldn't have made
it a crime, which must make things a touch difficult for re-enactors and
film units but that's life...

One guy has a long paragraph aimed at him for telling tall tales around the
campfire at some re-enactment, which, to be honest, is just plain silly.

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

There are some people who want to skate on the edge. That guy with the
movie, Demara? Tony Curtis played him IIRC. Okay until the guy playing
a doctor pulls a patient with a real problem. There was one of those
jokers caught last year who had done in some of the people from this
newsgroup.

I would excuse those "there I was at 20,000 feet with Japs all around
me" guys, especially if it finishes with "so I asked the stewardess
for one of those towels".

Richard Casady wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:31:53 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote:

Personally I still lean toward cutting off their buttons, ripping
their epaulets, breaking their saber over my knee and tossing them out
the gate...but that's just me.

I think if you try to break a saber over your knee you will hurt
yourself. Those things would have to be pretty sturdy just to work as
designed.



You hacksaw it partly through beforehand.

Cheers
CJ Adams

Whatever happened to the resident RAM IRA operative/USAF General?

Bob McKellar

On Aug 23, 1:29 pm, "Bob McKellar" wrote:
Whatever happened to the resident RAM IRA operative/USAF General?

Bob McKellar

I think that's the boy, the last I heard he was discussing housing
accommodations with a local arm of the law. Probably let him go.

On Aug 23, 8:55*am, tomcervo wrote:
On Aug 23, 9:31 am, Ed Rasimus wrote:

Personally I still lean toward cutting off their buttons, ripping
their epaulets, breaking their saber over my knee and tossing them out
the gate...but that's just me.

1. They have NO buttons, epaulets or saber.
2. They'd probably get a similar perverse thrill out of the ceremony.

A pie in the face is more like it.

I rather like the taken away in handcuffs by the local sheriff on the
front page of the paper. In small towns, that's the kiss of death.

If you ever google the guy that will show up in the local paper
section for a long, long time.