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"Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote in :


"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
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on 9/16/2008 1:19 PM Mick said the following:
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Keep hat dancing Buttlipps, maybe you can get Bich Ahrens or Mikey
Mouth to come play fiddle for ya.

Reliving your days on the kindergarden playground again, eh, Maxie?

Clueless as usual.




Well, perhaps if you wrote in English or some other internationally
recognised language. Or maybe even a popular Pidgeon or Creole. ...





Bertie

on 9/16/2008 7:02 PM Mick said the following:
"Rich Ahrens" wrote in message
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on 9/16/2008 1:19 PM Mick said the following:
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Keep hat dancing Buttlipps, maybe you can get Bich Ahrens or Mikey Mouth
to come play fiddle for ya.
Reliving your days on the kindergarden playground again, eh, Maxie?

Clueless as usual.

Indeed you are.

But air is 78% nitrogen, and even though it's not an ideal gas, the
remaining volume of oxygen should pretty be linear with temperature, and
certainly not a whole lot different from nitrogen. (Anthony, don't even
bother trying to engage in this one). Sorry, but I just don't buy the
thermal expansion explanation.

The closest one may have to do with oxidation at higher partial pressures of
oxygen, which may be faster for certain organic compounds like rubber. This
would only apply to the tube, and not the tire, since all of the nitrogen is
theoretically contained within the tube only.

I do not believe that for a given amount of water the vapor pressure would
be any higher in air versus nitrogen either (given an equal volume and
pressure of nitrogen and air, I do not think either would contain a
substantially higher amount of water, even if saturated.)

Don't they fill farm tractor tires with some high density salt compound or
something non-ionic like urea just to add weight? Do their wheels corrode
faster if filled with salt solutions?

"Viperdoc" wrote

Don't they fill farm tractor tires with some high density salt compound or
something non-ionic like urea just to add weight?

Yes, and they are tube tires.

Do their wheels corrode faster if filled with salt solutions?

If the tube leaks, yes, they will rust out the rim more quickly.

I believe I have heard of a non salt liquid now available. I recall hearing
that it is much more expensive, and not used as much.

I'll ask my active farming friends tomorrow, if I can remember to.
--
Jim in NC

On Sep 17, 2:27*pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Viperdoc" wrote

Don't they fill farm tractor tires with some high density salt compound or
something non-ionic like urea just to add weight?

Yes, and they are tube tires.

Do their wheels corrode faster if filled with salt solutions?

If the tube leaks, yes, they will rust out the rim more quickly.

I believe I have heard of a non salt liquid now available. *I recall hearing
that it is much more expensive, and not used as much.

I'll ask my active farming friends tomorrow, if I can remember to.

I can tell you now.
Water.
Plain unadulterated H2O.
Why would you want Urea in the tyre tubes and not on the pasture ?????

"george" wrote

I can tell you now.
Water.
Plain unadulterated H2O.
Why would you want Urea in the tyre tubes and not on the pasture ?????

I can tell you for a FACT that water is not the only thing used.

In areas where the land is rather... Uh, not level - g - it is very
important to keep the tractor right-side-up. That is not always easy, and
still go where you need to go.

The fluid in the tires is put in around 1/3 to 1/2 full. That keeps the
center of gravity lower, and the more weight you can get below the axles,
the better off you will be.

Urea may not be the answer, but I know there is some fluid that is
substantially heavier than water that is commonly used, at least in my neck
of the woods.
--
Jim in NC

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:03:13 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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Viperdoc wrote:

BTW- if air would work equally well as nitrogen, why not use it in
struts as well as tires?


It is.



Not in big ones, definitely.


Bertie

one of my mates was flying his cherokee back home.
at one of the intermediate stopovers I joined him.
we were walking out to fly the last leg and he was complaining about
the nose leg being almost flat. while I was looking over the aircraft
as he did the preflight I noticed one of those little 12v air
compressors on the rear floor. at the end of the preflight he advised
me that we would be stuck there for a while. The mechanic wasn t
available to pump up the oleo and it looked to be totally flat.
we flipped the cowl open to see if anything was damaged. it all looked
ok so I took the little schrader cap off, fetched the little pump out
of the rear and hooked it all up. bururururururur for a few moments
and the nose leg magically extended back to a useable length.
my mate was stunned. the pump lived permanently on the rear floor and
not once had he ever thought to use it.

we flew home in perfect safety. even greased it on the home runway.

only the dimwitted like maxie would worry about nitrogen in little
aircraft.

Stealth Pilot

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"george" wrote

I can tell you now.
Water.
Plain unadulterated H2O.
Why would you want Urea in the tyre tubes and not on the pasture ?????

I can tell you for a FACT that water is not the only thing used.

In areas where the land is rather... Uh, not level - g - it is very
important to keep the tractor right-side-up. That is not always easy, and
still go where you need to go.

The fluid in the tires is put in around 1/3 to 1/2 full. That keeps the
center of gravity lower, and the more weight you can get below the axles,
the better off you will be.

Urea may not be the answer, but I know there is some fluid that is
substantially heavier than water that is commonly used, at least in my
neck of the woods.
--
Jim in NC

Calcium chloride is what was used where I lived. Did not freeze like plain
H2O would and is very heavy.

--

*H. Allen Smith*
WACO - We are all here, because we are not all there.

"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message
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only the dimwitted like maxie would worry about nitrogen in little
aircraft.

Stealth Pilot

You're a liar, I never said any such thing.

Stealth Pilot wrote in
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:03:13 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
:

Viperdoc wrote:

BTW- if air would work equally well as nitrogen, why not use it in
struts as well as tires?


It is.



Not in big ones, definitely.


Bertie

one of my mates was flying his cherokee back home.
at one of the intermediate stopovers I joined him.
we were walking out to fly the last leg and he was complaining about
the nose leg being almost flat. while I was looking over the aircraft
as he did the preflight I noticed one of those little 12v air
compressors on the rear floor. at the end of the preflight he advised
me that we would be stuck there for a while. The mechanic wasn t
available to pump up the oleo and it looked to be totally flat.
we flipped the cowl open to see if anything was damaged. it all looked
ok so I took the little schrader cap off, fetched the little pump out
of the rear and hooked it all up. bururururururur for a few moments
and the nose leg magically extended back to a useable length.
my mate was stunned. the pump lived permanently on the rear floor and
not once had he ever thought to use it.

we flew home in perfect safety. even greased it on the home runway.

only the dimwitted like maxie would worry about nitrogen in little
aircraft.

Well, i wouldn;t worry about it, but I'd use if it were around to use..


bertie