Do CAP members salute?

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news

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In closing I am not some keyboard pilot and I will identify myself...
I bet you don't have the balls to..


Ben Haas
Jackson Hole Wy
N801BH


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I bet he doesn't either, Ben.



But you do, dontcha wannabe boi?

Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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|I have been at various airshows, flyins, etc where CAP cadets and
|adults
| were present in uniform.
|
| As the civilian auxiliary of the Air Force are they expected to
| salute officers etc? Are members of the Air Force supposed to salute
| CAP members
of
| higher rank?
|
| Walking around at these functions it is sometimes hard to tell who
| rates a salute or not.
|
|

Aaahwwww, poor baby. Did someone forget to salute doctorjetpilot?

Maybe they recognized you.



God knows what they'd do if they recognised you.

I;d rather not think about it myself.


Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in message
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| "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in
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| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in
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| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Viperdoc" wrote in
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| The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems to be
| variable. Just two days ago, there were three officers in uniform,
| two Air Force and one Army, and a guy in a CAP set of BDU's at a
| local disaster drill.
|
| Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us (he had
| a first lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say how are
| you, good day, or something similar. He certainly would have been
| welcome to stand with us, share ideas, and come up with some ways
| we could work with CAP and the military to enhance our disaster
| preparedness.
|
|
|
| They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP
| personell are as
| crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not qualified
| to be a security gaurd in a mall.
|
| This is true to a large degree. However, there's also a mixed bag.
| Many members were in the real air force and many have retired from
| the same. I know several CAP colonels who were real colonels in the
| real USAF. There's also a lot of members who just like to fly and
| have fun and could care less about the pretend military gig. The
| pretend air force aspect of CAP is mostly for the cadets. Paying
| $70 per year in dues does not make one an officer, although there
| are many who seem to think it does. For senior members, there's
| also the option of wearing CAP distinctive uniforms which display no
| rank insignia. That's the option preferred by those who don't
| really want to pretend they are in the military.
|
|
|
| Yeah, true enough, there are a lot of good guys in the CAP, They are
| in a minority, though. I can't see how they can stand it.
|
| It all depends on the squadron you're in. Some are more into the
| flying aspect and less into the pretend military aspect. Those tend
| to be the more capable squadrons for air ops because they are less
| tolerant of pilots who can't fly their thumb up their arse. At least
| in my observations. There's lots of CAP pilots who don't ever fly
| unless it's on the CAP dime. As such they may go 3-4 months without
| flying at all. Those types of guys aren't well tolerated in squadrons
| that are more serious about the flying aspect.
|
|
| Whatever turns them on. Not worth my time to even think about them,
| mostly.
|
| bertie
|

I seriously doubt they give a **** what you think. Most intelligent people
don't.

That explains why you reply to each of his posts.

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in message
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"Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in message
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| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Viperdoc" wrote in
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| The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems to be
| variable. Just two days ago, there were three officers in uniform,
two
| Air Force and one Army, and a guy in a CAP set of BDU's at a local
| disaster drill.
|
| Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us (he had a
| first lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say how are you,
| good day, or something similar. He certainly would have been welcome
| to stand with us, share ideas, and come up with some ways we could
| work with CAP and the military to enhance our disaster preparedness.
|
|
|
| They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP personell
are
| as
| crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not qualified to
be
a
| security gaurd in a mall.
|
| This is true to a large degree. However, there's also a mixed bag.
Many
| members were in the real air force and many have retired from the same.
I
| know several CAP colonels who were real colonels in the real USAF.
There's
| also a lot of members who just like to fly and have fun and could care
less
| about the pretend military gig. The pretend air force aspect of CAP is
| mostly for the cadets. Paying $70 per year in dues does not make one an
| officer, although there are many who seem to think it does. For senior
| members, there's also the option of wearing CAP distinctive uniforms
which
| display no rank insignia. That's the option preferred by those who
don't
| really want to pretend they are in the military.
|

Gee Mikey Mouth. I didn't know you were a CAP wanna be.

I figured out you were a pilot-wannabe some time ago, Okie.

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On Sep 21, 10:17 am, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
I'm well aware of the details in both crashes. You obviously didn't read
what I wrote very closely. As I said, the people in question may have
been
doing something stupid at the time, but guess what? The vast majority of
accidents are caused by pilot error, and the vast majority of those are
caused by doing something stupid at the time. However when you start
thinking you are more "competent" than they were and you would never do
something stupid yourself, is exactly the type of attitude that leads to
a
lot of pilots' demise, and regardless of what you think, how many planes
or
airports you have owned is irrelevant in that regard. As far as CAP
goes, I
find it quite amusing that you try to blame the accidents on CAP. Had
both
pilots been following CAP's rules, neither accident would have happened.
And as far as your short lived CAP tenure goes, I see a lot of your type
come and go. For whatever reason, you have a different expectation of
CAP
and when CAP doesn't bend to your expectation, you quit and act as if
your
quitting is to the detriment of CAP. I can assure you it isn't.-
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Let me set you straight.... First. Come on ol buddy, You are not
aware of the details of both crashes or as a intelligent human being
you would not have said those planes were flown by " experienced and
competent pilots.....I do blame the CAP for the crashes. If they had
their training and supervision in order the idiots who destroyed both
planes would have been grounded before they could waste taxpayers
dollars.

Hmm, let's see here. By your own admission, you stayed in CAP for all of 1
SAREX, then quit, yet you're the "expert". What a riot. The only thing you
set me straight on is the extent of your ignorance.

Second, I was told time and time again if you wreck a plane you pay
for the plane, this was straight from the wing commander. Guess
what. Mrs Anderson didn't repay the United States for her husbands
stupidy. The estate of the other bonehead didn't pay the United States
for his stupid act either.

Gee, I wonder why CAP carries insurance on all their planes.

Third and last, Your trying to belittle me is EXACLY why I and
thousands of other competent pilots left the CAP before one of your
type could kill us. There is a high probability you don't own a plane
of your own and fly the CAP plane at greatly reduced rate to enjoy
aviation. The rest of the taxpayers are funding your recreation...
This needs to STOP and I will keep expressing my opinion in the effort
of getting "COMPETENT AND EXPERIENCED" pilots in the CAP planes. .You
need to read this closely sport because those are your words,,,, not
mine. You keep driving at the point of my attitude will cause my
demise. You, my friend are not in touch with reality.

You belittle others who obviously can't defend themselves, and then you want
to claim victimization? You belittle yourself better than I ever could.

In closing I am not some keyboard pilot and I will identify myself...
I bet you don't have the balls to..

I'm not the one claiming I'm a better pilot than everyone else.



Ben Haas
Jackson Hole Wy
N801BH

You've had your ticket for all of 18 months and you have no additional
ratings, yet you think you're more "competent and experienced" than the 2
other pilots you cast disparity on, both of which were at least commercial
and instrument rated. What a riot.

Yes, I'm sure CAP sorely missed losing "competent and experienced" pilots
like you, sunshine. I'm sure your 50 hours or so was experience CAP can
never replace.

On Sep 21, 10:17*am, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
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On Sep 20, 6:50 pm, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:





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They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP personell
are
as
crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not qualified to
be a
security gaurd in a mall.

Bertie

I hate to admit it but Bertie is right on with this one..

I tried the local CAP to be helpful, find and hopefully save a
life. Turned out they are a group of military wanna be's who have
control of a AirForce owned plane and dictate who can play in their
sandbox. First, that plane belongs to ALL of us, they have strick
rules like, " a member needs to be height/weight proportionate. The
state commander was a walking heart attack and at my first and only
SAREX, 90% of the group was 300 lbs +. So much for rules G. The last
straw was their overwhelming desire for protocal, If I am going to
risk my life looking for missing people and planes I would expect them
to respect the general population and give some leeway in the fact
that all volunteer citizans don't have time to go home, get dressed in
their approved monkey suits and meet at the office to start a search.
Hell by that time the party we are looking for are dead !!! And look
at their safety record... Dismal at best. If I am going to get killed
it sure as hell ain't gonna be by some uniform wearing low time
assholes..... Let's see. the Wyoming wing of the Cival Air Patrol has
in the last couple of years has killed 4 humans, destroyed two
perfectly good planes, both by total stupidity.. I have been flying
and have yet to even put a single scratch on anything but I seem to be
not qualified to fly their,-- oops, our planes. To be fair there is a
few good guys and gals in the CAP, but,,,,,,,,the VAST majority
though are as Bertie puts it " crazy as bedbugs"

risk. *Of the crashes you mentioned, all involved very experienced and
competent pilots. *Perhaps they did do something stupid, but if you
think
you are smarter than they were, or a better pilot, you have the type of
attitude that often leads to a smoking crater at the end of your flying
career.-

You obviously are not very well informed. *The first fatal accident in
N9928H was flown by Fletcher Anderson, who wrote a book on safe flying
and mountian flying. This was not his first accident either. While
flying through the Snake river canyon south of *Jackson Wy he hit a
cable that crosses the river. A cable they use to measure the river
level. That said cable was 17.3 feet above the surface. The altitude
he was supposed to be at *in that area was around 4000 feet higher,
competent ?? *you better start smoking something better. The other CAP
pilot was supposably a CAP mountian fury course instructor who spun in
and took two other lives with him, and started a forest fire. That was
the only thing he did correctly though. They found the wreckage and
bodies by following the smoke. Competent ? highly improbable... I have
been flying almost 30 years, owned several planes and didn't join the
CAP for a free ride or to fly missions the next day. I have my own
plane and in fact my own airport, I don't need the CAP to leach off of
for my flying enjoyment, the vast majority of CAP members don't own an
aircraft. ! * If you are going to defend the CAP flight safety record
you better inform yourself in a timely matter before making statements
like "very experienced and competent".

Cheers and tailwinds.

I'm well aware of the details in both crashes. *You obviously didn't read
what I wrote very closely. *As I said, the people in question may have been
doing something stupid at the time, but guess what? *The vast majority of
accidents are caused by pilot error, and the vast majority of those are
caused by doing something stupid at the time. *However when you start
thinking you are more "competent" than they were and you would never do
something stupid yourself, is exactly the type of attitude that leads to a
lot of pilots' demise, and regardless of what you think, how many planes or
airports you have owned is irrelevant in that regard. *As far as CAP goes, I
find it quite amusing that you try to blame the accidents on CAP. *Had both
pilots been following CAP's rules, neither accident would have happened.
And as far as your short lived CAP tenure goes, I see a lot of your type
come and go. *For whatever reason, you have a different expectation of CAP
and when CAP doesn't bend to your expectation, you quit and act as if your
quitting is to the detriment of CAP. *I can assure you it isn't.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hmmm lets see..

Mike wrote"
I'm well aware of the details in both crashes. You obviously didn't
read
what I wrote very closely. As I said, the people in question may have
been
doing something stupid at the time, but guess what? The vast majority
of
accidents are caused by pilot error, and the vast majority of those
are
caused by doing something stupid at

May have been doing something stupid ???? Just admit it they WERE
doing something stupid and now 4 are dead. Denial is a common CAP
trait.. You are a computer geek, Funny you didn't find I have been
flying for almost 30 years and more hours then you can fathom.. How
the hell did ya come up with 18 months? and 50 hours ??? Must be
another one of the CAP brainfarts....

Cheers, and over and out..
Oh yeah, we are all still waiting for you to post the N number of your
plane you own too.......

Yours truly
ben.

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Hmmm lets see..

Mike wrote"
I'm well aware of the details in both crashes. You obviously didn't
read
what I wrote very closely. As I said, the people in question may have
been
doing something stupid at the time, but guess what? The vast majority
of
accidents are caused by pilot error, and the vast majority of those
are
caused by doing something stupid at

May have been doing something stupid ???? Just admit it they WERE
doing something stupid and now 4 are dead. Denial is a common CAP
trait.. You are a computer geek, Funny you didn't find I have been
flying for almost 30 years and more hours then you can fathom.. How
the hell did ya come up with 18 months? and 50 hours ??? Must be
another one of the CAP brainfarts....

FAA Registry
Name Inquiry Results

STEPHEN BENNETT HAAS

Address
Street 700 PONDEROSA DR
City JACKSON State WY
County TETON Zip Code 83001-9379
Country USA


Medical

Medical Class: Third Medical Date: 11/2006

# MUST HAVE AVAILABLE GLASSES FOR NEAR VISION.


Certificates
1 of 2

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DOI: 1/26/2007
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT
Rating(s):
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Any more lies you'd like to tell, sunshine?


Cheers, and over and out..
Oh yeah, we are all still waiting for you to post the N number of your
plane you own too.......

Why should I?


Yours truly
ben.

"Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
STEPHEN BENNETT HAAS

Who changed his first (and middle?) name - you or him?

I believe this is his web site:
http://www.haaspowerair.com/

Ben has been posting to r.a.homebuilt for a while now.

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in
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| "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in
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| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Viperdoc" wrote in
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| The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems to be
| variable. Just two days ago, there were three officers in
| uniform, two Air Force and one Army, and a guy in a CAP set of
| BDU's at a local disaster drill.
|
| Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us (he
| had a first lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say how
| are you, good day, or something similar. He certainly would
| have been welcome to stand with us, share ideas, and come up
| with some ways we could work with CAP and the military to
| enhance our disaster preparedness.
|
|
|
| They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP
| personell are as
| crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not
| qualified to be a security gaurd in a mall.
|
| This is true to a large degree. However, there's also a mixed
| bag. Many members were in the real air force and many have
| retired from the same. I know several CAP colonels who were real
| colonels in the real USAF. There's also a lot of members who
| just like to fly and have fun and could care less about the
| pretend military gig. The pretend air force aspect of CAP is
| mostly for the cadets. Paying $70 per year in dues does not make
| one an officer, although there are many who seem to think it
| does. For senior members, there's also the option of wearing CAP
| distinctive uniforms which display no rank insignia. That's the
| option preferred by those who don't really want to pretend they
| are in the military.
|
|
|
| Yeah, true enough, there are a lot of good guys in the CAP, They
| are in a minority, though. I can't see how they can stand it.
|
| It all depends on the squadron you're in. Some are more into the
| flying aspect and less into the pretend military aspect. Those
| tend to be the more capable squadrons for air ops because they are
| less tolerant of pilots who can't fly their thumb up their arse.
| At least in my observations. There's lots of CAP pilots who don't
| ever fly unless it's on the CAP dime. As such they may go 3-4
| months without flying at all. Those types of guys aren't well
| tolerated in squadrons that are more serious about the flying
| aspect.
|
|
| Whatever turns them on. Not worth my time to even think about them,
| mostly.
|
| bertie
|

I seriously doubt they give a **** what you think. Most intelligent
people don't.



I don;'t care.


And you obviously are obvlivious to everything outside of your own world
view, which pretty much just consists of your illoeceal valve.


Bertie

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| | The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems to be
| | variable. Just two days ago, there were three officers in
uniform,
| | two Air Force and one Army, and a guy in a CAP set of BDU's at a
| | local disaster drill.
| |
| | Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us (he
had
| | a first lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say how are
| | you, good day, or something similar. He certainly would have
been
| | welcome to stand with us, share ideas, and come up with some
ways
| | we could work with CAP and the military to enhance our disaster
| | preparedness.
| |
| |
| |
| | They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP
| | personell are as
| | crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not qualified
| | to be a security gaurd in a mall.
| |
| | This is true to a large degree. However, there's also a mixed
bag.
| | Many members were in the real air force and many have retired from
| | the same. I know several CAP colonels who were real colonels in
the
| | real USAF. There's also a lot of members who just like to fly and
| | have fun and could care less about the pretend military gig. The
| | pretend air force aspect of CAP is mostly for the cadets. Paying
| | $70 per year in dues does not make one an officer, although there
| | are many who seem to think it does. For senior members, there's
| | also the option of wearing CAP distinctive uniforms which display
no
| | rank insignia. That's the option preferred by those who don't
| | really want to pretend they are in the military.
| |
| |
| |
| | Yeah, true enough, there are a lot of good guys in the CAP, They
are
| | in a minority, though. I can't see how they can stand it.
| |
| | It all depends on the squadron you're in. Some are more into the
| | flying aspect and less into the pretend military aspect. Those tend
| | to be the more capable squadrons for air ops because they are less
| | tolerant of pilots who can't fly their thumb up their arse. At
least
| | in my observations. There's lots of CAP pilots who don't ever fly
| | unless it's on the CAP dime. As such they may go 3-4 months without
| | flying at all. Those types of guys aren't well tolerated in
squadrons
| | that are more serious about the flying aspect.
| |
| |
| | Whatever turns them on. Not worth my time to even think about them,
| | mostly.
| |
| | bertie
| |
|
| I seriously doubt they give a **** what you think. Most intelligent
people
| don't.
|
| That explains why you reply to each of his posts.
|