Why didn't GWB join the U.S. Air Force ?

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:19:56 -0700, "Rude Dog"
wrote:

I'm not certain who is worse. A person who joins the Air National Guard to
avoid going to Vietnam or a person who goes to Vietnam to obtain political
status and power.

It is well documented that Kerry was assigned to relatively save duty to
obtain "combat" experience, then used his contacts among high ranking Navy
officers to manipulate his way out of that duty.

There are a couple of things Bush-gashers are overlooking in their
zeal to bash Bush.

First, military aviation is not a "safe" occupation, in wartime or in
peacetime. Ask anyone who's actually served.

Second, that famous "Mission Accomplished" banner aboard the carrier
where Bush landed in the S-3 has been used to ridicule Bush and the
war effort. The "Mission Accomplished" referred to the ship's
deployment.

How many aircraft carrier deployments, in peacetime or in wartime,
have been conducted without loss of life?

The Ship's Company had every right to declare its mission
accomplished, and would have done so had Bush been there or not.

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"George Z. Bush" writes:

"Ace" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:10:39 +0100,
wrote:

Why didn't GWB join the U.S. Air Force ?

He did join the US Air Force.

The Texas Air National Guard is NOT the U. S. Air Force.

They'd better go repaint those airplanes, then.
And change the uniforms.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

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"George Z. Bush" writes:

"sanjian" wrote in message
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George Z. Bush wrote:
"Ace" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:10:39 +0100,
wrote:

Why didn't GWB join the U.S. Air Force ?

He did join the US Air Force.

The Texas Air National Guard is NOT the U. S. Air Force.

Is that like saying that the SeaBees aren't really part of the navy?

The Texas ANG is a state organization until such time as it's activated, and the
only time its members are in the USAF as such is when they've been activated,
either as a unit or as individuals. In Dubya's case, he was only active during
his flight training.....the rest of his service was in a state organization.
The Seabees were different....they were an integral part of the Navy at the
time, as was the submarine service, etc. If you enlisted in the Seabees, you
were in the Navy from day one.

To the best of my knowledge, the Texas ANG was never federalized as a unit
during the VN War, although individual members who may have volunteered would
have been activated and assigned to active USAF units.

See the difference?

G.Z., that just isnt't true. The Militia Act of 1903 specified the
National Guard as the organized militias of the Various States. In
teh 1914 modifications to that act, Guard Officers were appointed by
the President of the States, with teh consent of teh Senate, rather
than by the States themselves. The Army set force distributuions and
training requirements.
The National Defence Act of 1916 established the National Guard as a
Reserve Compnent of the U.S. Army, equal to the Reserve Corps, and the
Volunteer Corps. (Which became the Natioanal Army when conscription
began - the National Army was made up of Draftees.)
In 1918, the distinctions between National Guard, Reserve Corps,
Regular Army, and National Army was abrogated, and all elements were
fused into one organization - the United States Army.

The same relationship has always held for the Air National Guard.

In 1955, Air National Guard Fighter Interceptor Squadrons were
required to maintain at least 2 aircraft on 24 hour alert, 7 days a
week. These aircraft operate under USAF orders, adn NORAD direction.
Certainly no "Activation" is required. ANG Airlifters flew missions
on the MATS/MAC/TAC as appropriate schedule. NH ANG C-97s flying
cargo (Such as ARRS Rescue Helicopters) to Viet Nam weren't doing it
in orders from Concord, for example.

The idea that the National Guard is a State Organization may be
widespread, but it is false. The States supply Armories and training
areas, and can call on the National Guard in times of emergency. The
Guard's force structure, roles and missions are directed by the
relevant parent service.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

George Z. Bush wrote:

the only time he was in the Air Force was during his
flying training. The rest of his service was in the Texas ANG.

Sooo...when I run into these guys/gals at *Air Force* exercises and
Professional Military Education School (SOS,ISS, etc.) or working three desks
down on the *Air* Staff at the Pentagon I should escort them to the "Air
National Guard" section? What if one doesn't exist? How about the Air Force
Reserve, are they part of the Air Force?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

From: (WalterM140)
Date: 7/11/2004 4:57 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Would you have skipped a flight physical if you could have helped it?

Walt

I did. I was scheduled after Thanksgiving and I needed to lose a few pounds.
The rescheduled me for February.


Did you make that physcial?

Walt

Yes, but that's irrelevant since you asked if I would have skipped a physical.
I did.

Now let me as you a question. Did you give Clinton as hard a time as Bush? At
least Bush served.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

(Smartace11) wrote in
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We all know why
he couldn't take his flight physical that lead to Bush getting
grounded...he was taking coke and would have failed the blood
tests.

I don't know that. Why would I?

Tsk, tsk, tsk. You are obviously not listening to the
voices numbnuts believes we all have in our heads.
He'll be very disappointed when he realises this.

IBM

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R. David Steele wrote:
The Texas Air National Guard is NOT the U. S. Air Force.

God, you anti war types are so uneducated!!

maybe we need mandatory military service just so some NCO can
bitch slap some sense into you.


The 26 years in the USAF as a troop carrier and air rescue pilot wasn't enough?
Be a little less smearing with your assumptions.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

"WalterM140" wrote in message
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Clinton's not running.


Did you support Clinton in 1992 or 1996?



The Bush campaign has belittled Senator Kerry's
service, which is sort of a stretch given their candidate's service
record.


The Bush campaign has done nothing of the sort.

(ArtKramr) wrote in news:20040711122325.23951.00001686@mb-
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His dad went to war. He didn't. Do you see any diffference in that?

Umm, Art, I'm surprised at you. WWII was a war with worldwise scope.
Everybody was at war. Some got shot at, some didn't. My dad was
a week away from navy basic when the Hiroshima bomb was dropped.
He was notified his services were not required. Boy was he ****ed.

Vietnam was a war of limited scope. 1/3 or so of those elegible
served ( IIRC ).
There were probably folks who had long military careers who,
through no fault of their own never went near RVN

Bush did serve, in uniform, in a capacity that doesn't, by its
nature suffer fools gladly and came away with his keister in one
piece. Kerry couldn't even manage that. He was a frat boy yachtsman
who thought swift boats would be a relatively safe way to get his
ticket punched. When it proved otherwise, he figured out how to
game the system and got out. When he got back to the world he then
got into the business of ensuring that America lost the war. Some of
us call that TREASON! He admitted to WAR CRIMES!

And you think he and his draft dodging running mate will make the
world safe for democracy?

It is to laugh.
It is to lose control.
It is to fall down, roll on the floor and howl long and loud.
In short, ARE YOU ****TING ME?

Wake up Art!

IBM

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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ...
"Ace" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:10:39 +0100,
wrote:

Why didn't GWB join the U.S. Air Force ?

He did join the US Air Force.

The Texas Air National Guard is NOT the U. S. Air Force.

It most certainly is. So are the Air National Guard units of the
other states as well.

Army Guard is the same.