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"Andrew Rowley" wrote in message ... (Robert Bonomi) wrote: My understanding is he wasn't actually planning to go there. There are probably a number of problems with shipping fuel to places you are not planning to go, just in case: - it's expensive to ship it there - you may have to ship it out again if you don't use it - I'm not sure whether they would let you leave it there indefinitely I doubt that they would even accept the shipment, so the question is academic. In dealing with bureaucracy, sometimes it is better to ask forgiveness than to ask for permission that will surely be refused. That is obviously the tack that Johanson chose, and probably the only reasonable choice if one insists on making the attempt. Unfortunately for him, the bureaucracy has chosen to play hardball in this instance. Vaughn |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:02:10 -0500, "Jimmy Galvin"
wrote: You can not possibly believe that there was "exploratory spirit" involved here. He was not blazing new frontiers. As it would have been a record setting flight, yes he would have been setting new frontiers. The man has flown around the world twice now, if for nothing more than self satisfaction, then so be it. It was simply a publicity stunt that People climb Mt Everest just for the accomplishment. There is nothing wrong with that. was only meant as a means of self promotion. Not one person on this planet would have benefited other than himself had he pulled it off. He screwed up by not being prepared and it is up to him to bail himself out. Many, many times people end up in similar situations here in the states, but some one comes to the rescue. No, they aren't record setting flights, but high winds have forced landings at airports where services were not to be found. Suddenly finding your self in "unforecast" bad weather and having to land at an airport with nothing more than a telephone and no heat in the very small terminal building that is no more than a shed leaves a pilot feeling overwhelmed. Been there and done that. Called FSS who still thought the weather was as forecast. Landing on an icy runway at an unattended airport far from home only to have the nose wheel break... Happened to one of our members... Fortunately their cell phone worked and they had a directory of members in that area. They were stuck for a couple of days. One of the guys out there took the nose wheel off his LongEZ so they could get out. No one was obligated, but offering a part of your own airplane goes a bit beyond offering gas. Fortunately most pilots and most people have more compassion than the NSF although there are a few narrow minded ones who can't understand how any one could get into trouble paying attention. It doesn't matter how well you plan, **** happens. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?) www.rogerhalstead.com Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers "Roger Halstead" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:26:37 +0000, (Robert Bonomi) wrote: In article , ET wrote: "Jimmy Galvin" wrote in : You can offer all apologies all you want but only for yourself. Don't talk for me. I feel that he took a chance for glory, self promotion, stupidity, or whatever and ended up with his tit caught in the wringer. It is not up to me and my tax dollars to bail his sorry ass out of the jamb he inflected on himself. This goes for all those fools that climb mountains, trek through caves, or go exploring in the woods relying on a GPS with 1/2 dead batteries to guide them along. They should all just be left to their own devices and hopefully receive a Darwin Award for their efforts. Yup, what ever happened to compassion and the exploratory spirit.? |
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You can offer all apologies all you want but only for yourself. Don't talk for me. I feel that he took a chance for glory, self promotion, stupidity, or whatever and ended up with his tit caught in the wringer. It is not up to me and my tax dollars to bail his sorry ass out of the jamb he inflected on himself. This goes for all those fools that climb mountains, trek through caves, or go exploring in the woods relying on a GPS with 1/2 dead batteries to guide them along. They should all just be left to their own devices and hopefully receive a Darwin Award for their efforts. Sounds like your idea of a good time is to sit on your fat ass and do nothing. People with attitudes like yours are worthless. I hope next time you need help you tell the people that come to help you that you do not want their help because through your own stupidity your ass is so fat you cannot fit through the door to go out into life and enjoy it. |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:02:10 -0500, "Jimmy Galvin" wrote: You can offer all apologies all you want but only for yourself. Don't talk for me. I feel that he took a chance for glory, self promotion, stupidity, or whatever and ended up with his tit caught in the wringer. It is not up to me and my tax dollars to bail his sorry ass out of the jamb he inflected on himself. This goes for all those fools that climb mountains, trek through caves, or go exploring in the woods relying on a GPS with 1/2 dead batteries to guide them along. They should all just be left to their own devices and hopefully receive a Darwin Award for their efforts. Sounds like your idea of a good time is to sit on your fat ass and do nothing. People with attitudes like yours are worthless. I hope next time you need help you tell the people that come to help you that you do not want their help because through your own stupidity your ass is so fat you cannot fit through the door to go out into life and enjoy it. |
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In article ,
"Jimmy Galvin" wrote: You can not possibly believe that there was "exploratory spirit" involved here. He was not blazing new frontiers. It was simply a publicity stunt that was only meant as a means of self promotion. Not one person on this planet would have benefited other than himself had he pulled it off. He screwed up by not being prepared and it is up to him to bail himself out. Oh, give us a break, Jimmy! The bureaucrats at McMurdo are simply being jerks of the first order! How many people on this planet benefit from such obstinate behavior? They should allow him to get 80 gallons of fuel, get his weather reports and get going! How difficult is that to do? I am getting sick and tired of Jimmy's sanctimonious acting as an apologist for NSA -- they are proving to be nothing but a bunch of useless bureaucrats, with no compassion or sense of real-world existence. |
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WHY DIDN'T HE MAKE ADVANCE ARRANGEMENTS to ship _his_own_ fuel there?
Using that rational, everyone should ship repair parts and tools to possible landing places like The Oshkosh convention just in case they have a problem. -- Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs or Always looking for articles for the Experimenter |
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Cy Galley wrote: WHY DIDN'T HE MAKE ADVANCE ARRANGEMENTS to ship _his_own_ fuel there? Using that rational, everyone should ship repair parts and tools to possible landing places like The Oshkosh convention just in case they have a problem. -- Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs or Always looking for articles for the Experimenter Good one Cy, I like that thinking. :-) |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:15:59 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
wrote: In article , I am getting sick and tired of Jimmy's sanctimonious acting as an apologist for NSA -- they are proving to be nothing but a bunch of useless bureaucrats, with no compassion or sense of real-world existence. I *think* you mean "NSF", the National Science Foundation that is the US's interest in Antarctica. The "NSA" is another kettle of fish entirely.... NSF: http://www.nsf.gov NSA: http://www.nsa.gov BTW, I happened to read further on that book by the ex-Navy C-130 pilot: The gasoline shipped to the Antarctic for the snow machines *does* have anti-freezing additives. However, since Johanson may have built his fuel system to handle alcohol, since he was planning on buying fuel all around the world. Ron Wanttaja |
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"Ron Wanttaja" wrote ...
BTW, I happened to read further on that book by the ex-Navy C-130 pilot: The gasoline shipped to the Antarctic for the snow machines *does* have anti-freezing additives. However, since Johanson may have built his fuel system to handle alcohol, since he was planning on buying fuel all around the world. Ron, As base commander, do you sell him snowmobile gas for the return trip? He wants it and the plane may (or may not) be legal to use it under certain circumstances , but don't you have to accept legal liability for selling him non-aviation fuel? Particularly on a trip that's entirely over water in very cold conditions. If Johanson didn't make it home wouldn't there be entire legions of lawyers waiting to sue the US Government for supplying him the wrong type of fuel? Or would it be better to say "There's a supply ship here in a month. Ship the plane home that way." How much research has been done in using autogas in airplanes in antartic conditions? Rich |
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